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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We're not talking about "them". We're talking about the less then 1% of women who can pass the standards. If someone can do it, they can do it. But no lowering standards of any sort.
    I can get behind that to a certain degree. However, I still have to question whether the comparive handful of soldiers we'd get out of it is worth all the grief they'd inevitably cause.

    How long before some feminist senator somewhere cries and moans about how the standards "aren't fair" and demands that quotas be put in place?

    How do the Israelis and Canadians handle the difference?

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I can get behind that to a certain degree. However, I still have to question whether the comparive handful of soldiers we'd get out of it is worth all the grief they'd inevitably cause.
    It's not about getting soldiers, it's about equal rights. What grief?

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    They're made of silicone, which doesn't easily breed bacteria. A simple wash with anything you have on hand once a month will take care of it. These products exist in the market already. They can be used for years.

    They're actually more hygienic than tampons. There is no risk of TSS associated with them, like there is with tampons. There's sizing, but this is really just a marketing thing, and unimportant in reality. Vaginas are stretchy. For the purposes of the military, there shouldn't be any problem with just having a single standard issue size.

    Menstrual cup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Then don't. What I said is that a healthy woman DOESN'T NEED special rations.

    What I said is if you're worried about it, you could do that. But there's no medical reason to be worried about it. A healthy woman doesn't lose much, if any, iron during her period.
    You might be correct. However, I agree with Ecofarm's stance that rigorous field testing would be necessary to determine whether this can be said to definitively be the case.

    Your estimations seem more than a tad overly optimistic.

    I've served with a lot of women in my time. Very few of them seem to be the veritable dynamos you describe them as.

    It would actually cost the military less, reduce hygiene issues, and require less maintenance.
    No new piece of equipment ever "costs less."

    I'm not trying to be a dick about this particular point, but it is a simple reality of how the military functions.

    That isn't really what I'm hearing from people in the military on this thread. However, if that's true, I will defer to those more qualified; allow a given woman into the positions she qualifies for, and don't for the ones she doesn't.
    The future of armed conflict is almost certainly going to involve a greater emphasis on cyber warfare and robotics, and a reduced emphasis on sustained ground operations.

    Women are perfectly qualified for all of these more technical roles. You don't need to toss them in the mud to be shot at just to prove a point.

    Not true. Like I said, men actually require a lot more resources than women do. In long-term cast-away situations, a woman is more likely to survive due to her dramatically lower resource requirements.
    It's not resources I'm necessarily worried about. It's the amount of "bang" we're getting for our "buck."

    As infantry, men simply seem to provide a much better cost to benefit ratio.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 04-01-13 at 01:18 AM.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Same standards and, for infantry, the female must do something to prevent her period. Bleeding costs too many calories when they are few, the mission is long and there's no logistics. We can't carry extra gear (nor adjust uniform packs for such), even one person, and we cannot carry extra calories.

    I'm sure that sounds bad, but I've been (airborne) infantry and obviously someone bleeding is a problem. We're hungry, we're tired and we've got 10 klicks tonight - bleeding would make such miserable and maybe impossible unassisted, from the additional exhaustion.


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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Racist, sexist fake veterans make me laugh.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not about getting soldiers, it's about equal rights.
    Exactly my point. I don't give a flying **** about "equal rights."

    I care about killing the bad guys in the most time and resource efficient manner possible. The military isn't a testing ground for every "social engineering" fad Washington bureaucrats happen to cook up.

    What grief?
    I've already pointed it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    How long before some feminist senator somewhere cries and moans about how the standards "aren't fair" and demands that quotas be put in place?
    You know it's going to happen sooner or later.

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    Racist, sexist fake veterans make me laugh.
    As I'm sure you'd know from your extensive personal experience.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I can get behind that to a certain degree. However, I still have to question whether the comparive handful of soldiers we'd get out of it is worth all the grief they'd inevitably cause.

    How long before some feminist senator somewhere cries and moans about how the standards "aren't fair" and demands that quotas be put in place?

    How do the Israelis and Canadians handle the difference?
    Israel still has some positions closed to women, but they do a lot of combat stuff.

    It seems to be going pretty much without a hitch.

    Around The Globe, Women Already Serve In Combat Units : NPR

    Female Israeli Soldiers Are Proving Themselves In Combat - Business Insider

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You might be correct. However, I agree with Ecofarm's stance that rigorous field testing would be necessary to determine whether this can be said to definitively be the case.

    Your estimations seem more than a tad overly optimistic.

    I've served with a lot of women in my time. Very few of them seem to be the veritable dynamos you describe them as.
    The FDA's approved them, with the standard recommendation all the manufacturers make that they are reusable for years. There are no known health risks associated with them, and they've been around since the 40's.

    I am not describing their personalities. I am describing the medical situations of menstruation for a healthy woman; it's just not a big deal.

    No new piece of equipment ever "costs less."

    I'm not trying to be a dick about this particular point, but it is a simple reality of how the military functions.
    It will definitely cost less than what they're doing now, which issuing disposable menstrual products. It would also lessen disposal needs.

    The future of armed conflict is almost certainly going to involve a greater emphasis on cyber warfare and robotics, and a reduced emphasis on sustained ground operations.

    Women are perfectly qualified for all these more technical roles. You don't need to toss them in the mud to be shot at just to prove a point.
    I'm not saying you do. I have said that we should allow women into positions for which they qualify.

    It's not resources I'm necessarily worried about. It's the amount of "bang" we're getting for our "buck."

    As infantry, men simply seem to provide a much better cost to benefit ratio.
    Well, see above.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

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    Racist, sexist fake veterans make me laugh.
    Who?



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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Israel still has some positions closed to women, but they do a lot of combat stuff.

    It seems to be going pretty much without a hitch.

    Around The Globe, Women Already Serve In Combat Units : NPR

    Female Israeli Soldiers Are Proving Themselves In Combat - Business Insider
    True. However, keep in mind that they have only been used in a reserve role so far.

    Watching a border and shooting at the occassional smuggler is something that women in officially "non-combat" roles in the United States military already do.

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