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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In routine training, I suffered seriously many times from hunger and exhaustion. If any of those I were bleeding I don't think I'd have made it.
    Of course not. But then, that's because you're not used to menstrual cycles. Best left to those who are.
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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Of course not. But then, that's because you're not used to menstrual cycles. Best left to those who are.
    It weakens someone and we use close to 100% of our strength even just in training.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You sure are not familiar with women. They bleed once a month. I've yet to see it stop many from functioning. If you think housework and child rearing is easy, allowing for numerous breaks and time to get "replenished", then you never pitched in much.

    Women handle their cycle just fine. Iron tablets and vitamins.
    Well, I was married twice, ~7 years each. Shows how good your instincts are.

    Fact is, when a unit needs 98% effort to pass and someone starts with that they will fail.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

    First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

    Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

    Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

    It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
    They can have a tendency to cause some unecessary difficulties wherever they're posted, but I think female soliders can and do perform pretty admirably in staff, admin, supply, and medical roles.

    As far as ground combat goes, I am opposed to the idea on a general basis.

    Female soldiers are physically weaker than male soldiers, more prone to injury, less aggressive, tend to massively complicate matters of morale and psychology among friendly forces on the battlefield, and are significantly more likely to face mistreatment if they are ever unfortunate enough to be captured by the enemy.

    Absolutely none of these facts support the conclusion that women should be expected to fill frontline combat positions beside men under anything but the most absolutely dire of circumstances.

    The Obama Administration's P.C. mania is going to end up getting a lot of good women horribly killed... If not worse.
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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It weakens someone and we use close to 100% of our strength even just in training.
    It may weaken you. I've yet to see a woman weakened by it in today's society. Can you tell who is on her period?
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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, I was married twice, ~7 years each. Shows how good your instincts are.

    Fact is, when a unit needs 98% effort to pass and someone starts with that they will fail.


    Well, I'm not sure your age, but I can assure you, I've never found women to be hampered by their periods.
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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Same standards and, for infantry, the female must do something to prevent her period. Bleeding costs too many calories when they are few, the mission is long and there's no logistics. We can't carry extra gear (nor adjust uniform packs for such), even one person, and we cannot carry extra calories.

    I'm sure that sounds bad, but I've been (airborne) infantry and obviously someone bleeding is a problem. We're hungry, we're tired and we've got 10 klicks tonight - bleeding would make such miserable and maybe impossible unassisted, from the additional exhaustion.


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    You know what the major problem with this rationale is right, about women needing more food during their menstrual cycle because they're bleeding? Women need less calories than men first of all. Second, the blood isn't from one or two days, but is building up inside us over the cycle. Even if a woman did need a few more calories during her cycle or after or before, she still very likely wouldn't be eating more than the men.
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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You know what the major problem with this rationale is right, about women needing more food during their menstrual cycle because they're bleeding? Women need less calories than men first of all. Second, the blood isn't from one or two days, but is building up inside us over the cycle. Even if a woman did need a few more calories during her cycle or after or before, she still very likely wouldn't be eating more than the men.
    Ok, I'll concede that I'm not sure how much the bleeding (and other discomforts) inhibit physical performace over a period of days with minimal food, harsh conditions and serious exercise.

    Let's see if a female is overly affected. Let's take a generally physically qualified troop and have her jump into training for a couple weeks right before her period hits. We'll presume she loses her gear on landing (to simulate possible combat conditions) and, for now, no one has any supplements or other gear for period.

    So, in she goes like a regular troop and let's see.

    Point being, we can argue about its impact after the army makes some observations and runs some tests to ascertain the impact.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

    First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

    Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

    Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

    It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
    You are something else...

    Women can be as ruthless as men. Women have the ability to be soldiers, and damn good ones. This whole undermining them and classifying them as unworthy is asinine.

    Waste of tax dollars? Wars of aggression, Wars on intangible ideas (Drugs, Illiteracy, etc)....that is a waste. Women on the front lines are not a waste.

    You think now is only time women were soldiers or in battle? Joan of Ark is something you should research.

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    Re: What's your opinion on female soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, I'll concede that I'm not sure how much the bleeding (and other discomforts) inhibit physical performace over a period of days with minimal food, harsh conditions and serious exercise.

    Let's see if a female is overly affected. Let's take a generally physically qualified troop and have her jump into training for a couple weeks right before her period hits. We'll presume she loses her gear on landing (to simulate possible combat conditions) and, for now, no one has any supplements or other gear for period.

    So, in she goes like a regular troop and let's see.

    Point being, we can argue about its impact after the army makes some observations and runs some tests to ascertain the impact.
    She can survive. What do you think women did prior to pads/tampons? They made do with what they had. If the woman wants to do the job, she won't let something like her period prevent it.

    And you still failed to recognize the fact that men need more food overall than women so even if she needed a little more during her period, she would still likely not be any shorter on food than the guys. It would not be any more performance affecting for her than it would be the guys.

    There are plenty of reasons to keep the majority of women out of combat, just due to not being able to physically do the job. Trying to make excuses involving a period (which we can control with drugs, implants, etc.) is just plain nitpicking. Plus, the majority of our guys are not out for weeks or even days at a time without food and water or other provisions. Not in the wars/conflicts we are currently involved.
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