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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    No. I would also like to add hell no.
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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    NO, it is a silly question

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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    a better question is

    should politicians who want to ban handguns be denied armed protection?

    clearly the answer is yes

    politicians' bodyguards should be limited to the weapons those politicians deem suitable for other civilians to own. Thus the gaping asshole Bloomberg's keepers should be limited to 7 shot pistols and they should be wearing signs saying WE ONLY CARRY SEVEN ROUND WEAPONS JUST AS HIZZONER HAS DECREED FOR THE REST OF YOU PEASANTS



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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only gun reform we need is getting rid of the thousands of moronic laws that don't do anything but hassle honest people-like the idiotic hughes amendment for example
    I don't see where the Hughes Ammendment hassles anybody or hurts the 2nd Amendment. I have bought an assault rifle, two pistols, a shotgun, and an electric powder rifle since 1986. If it's an idiotic Amendment because it does nothing, then why bother with it at all? This is lke changing the law that states you can't hang clothes to dry in New York without a permit. Who cares? Does that law infringe on people's ability to dry their clothes? Leave it alone and actually look at something for the future that would benefit the nation's population, but not infringe. Progress is future change, not past change.

    But certainly buyng a gun at a gun show should come with the same background check one has to go through in a pawn shop, right? That's one glaring issue. Stating that doing away with the Hughes Amendment is the "only gun reform" needed is a bit irresponsible. I would say the same thing about a gun owner who stores his guns in a way that allows teenage idiots to tote one to school to kill his favorite bully.

    So the way I see it, we can whine and whine about the direction of the wind as being a blow to our 2nd Amendment rights, but we don't seem to care about holding anybody responsible to those rights. In fact, its the only right that has no sense of responsibility attached to it. Even the Freedom of Speech comes with laws that prohibit you from slandering or causing riots. Even driving a car comes with laws of safety and insurance. But a gun? Absolutely nothing. I can buy my gun, store it on the living room carpet for all to touch and handle, and be exonerated if it is used in a school shooting.

    Why people are petrified anytime someone in Washington even say's the word gun is beyond me.
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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I don't see where the Hughes Ammendment hassles anybody or hurts the 2nd Amendment. I have bought an assault rifle, two pistols, a shotgun, and an electric powder rifle since 1986. If it's an idiotic Amendment because it does nothing, then why bother with it at all? This is lke changing the law that states you can't hang clothes to dry in New York without a permit. Who cares? Does that law infringe on people's ability to dry their clothes? Leave it alone and actually look at something for the future that would benefit the nation's population, but not infringe. Progress is future change, not past change.

    But certainly buyng a gun at a gun show should come with the same background check one has to go through in a pawn shop, right? That's one glaring issue. Stating that doing away with the Hughes Amendment is the "only gun reform" needed is a bit irresponsible. I would say the same thing about a gun owner who stores his guns in a way that allows teenage idiots to tote one to school to kill his favorite bully.

    So the way I see it, we can whine and whine about the direction of the wind as being a blow to our 2nd Amendment rights, but we don't seem to care about holding anybody responsible to those rights. In fact, its the only right that has no sense of responsibility attached to it. Even the Freedom of Speech comes with laws that prohibit you from slandering or causing riots. Even driving a car comes with laws of safety and insurance. But a gun? Absolutely nothing. I can buy my gun, store it on the living room carpet for all to touch and handle, and be exonerated if it is used in a school shooting.

    Why people are petrified anytime someone in Washington even say's the word gun is beyond me.
    so you support the fact that

    1) you cannot buy any automatic made after May 19, 1986

    2) that firearms that once cost 2000 dollars now cost 20,000 dollars as a result.

    3) there are plenty of laws that prohibit misuse of ANY Weapon

    your concept of responsibility is moronic-banning something for everyone is irrational



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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you support the fact that

    1) you cannot buy any automatic made after May 19, 1986
    Yes. I don't need an automatic to take out a target. I didn't even need one in the Marine Corps. But you know who does need one? A gangster who needs to spray a street to kill one person. If the average American needs one to take out a target, then the average American isn't trained enough to handle a firearm.

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    2) that firearms that once cost 2000 dollars now cost 20,000 dollars as a result.
    No. Capitalism, however, is a separate issue. You will find people in all laws looking to capitalize.

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    3) there are plenty of laws that prohibit misuse of ANY Weapon
    Yes. I spent twenty years handling all types of weapons and the proper handlng and use was always a constant awareness. To suggest that untrained civilians don't have to bother with such nonesense is irresponsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your concept of responsibility is moronic-banning something for everyone is irrational
    The fact that people have proven that they don't respect their weapons or their rights to own one is exactly government is stepping in to force it. You can't drive away from a hospital with a newborn without showing a car seat. You can't get a dirver's license without taking a test. You can't drive away with a new car without proof of insurance. buy guns? An 18th birthday is all that is needed. Blame people, not the government.

    The fact that you wish to celebrate irresponsibility as some sort of show of your unendangered rights is moronic.
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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes. I don't need an automatic to take out a target. I didn't even need one in the Marine Corps. But you know who does need one? A gangster who needs to spray a street to kill one person. If the average American needs one to take a target, then the average American isn't trained enough to handle a firearm.



    No. Capitalism, however, is a separate issue. You will find people in all laws looking to capitalize.



    Yes. I spent twenty years handling all types of weapons and the proper handlng and use was always a constant awareness. To suggest that untrained civilians don;t have to bother with such nonesense is irresponsible.



    The fact that people have proven that they don't respect their weapons or their rights to own one is exactly government is stepping in to force it. You can't drive away from a hospital with a newborn without showing a car seat. You can't get a dirver's license without taking a test. You can't drive away with a new car without proof of insurance. buy guns? An 18th birthday is all that is needed. Blame people, not the government.

    The fact that you wish to celebrate irresponsibility as some sort of show of your unendangered rights is moronic.
    I get so tired of people who have no clue about constitutional rights trying to modify our freedoms based on what they think others NEED. Your position is without merit-you can just as easily say no one needs any kind of gun. The fact is, if police officers have it for self defense against criminals the REST OF US ought to be able to own them. IF THE STANDARD Issue mlitary rifle is full auto then the citizens should have them too. That is the entire concept behind the second amendment.

    You confuse-many times-the difference betweeen laws that ban the possession of something for EVERYONE because SOME misuse it with the proper laws that ban IMPROPER USE.

    you are basically a statist and have control freak cravings. you think the governemnt should CONTROL everyone for no reason other than a few violate proper laws against improper use

    I bet my last dollar you wouldn't have any chance against me in any recognized shooting contest involving an M4 rifle or an M9 beretta. I am better trained than you are which is why I have represented the USA in world level competition and why I was a sponsored professional IPSC/USPSA shooter. SO if TRAINING is what matters than your silly support for blanket bans goes out the window
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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I get so tired of people who have no clue about constitutional rights ....
    Your right is to bear arms. Can you purchase a weapon? If so, then your rights are just fine. It is obvious that while you work yourself up over nonesense you lose sight of the Consititution and imagine that any detail of construct means you have lost it. I see no difference in your bitching than I do in a Liberals bitching. Both are extreme and ignorant and serve nothing to progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are basically a statist and have control freak cravings. you think the governemnt should CONTROL everyone for no reason other than a few violate proper laws against improper use
    And you are an anarchist who pretends that the American public has not given the government plenty of reason.
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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    for those who have no clue what the hughes amendment is (including MSgt) it was a poison pill added improperly to a firearms owner protection act by a congressman who wanted to derail a law that was going to pass. Even though there was basically ZERO cases of legally owned machine guns being used in crime, the amendment banned registration of any machine gun made after May 19, 1986 meaning only law enforcement agencies and the military, along with some Title II makers and class III dealers could own any such weapon made after May 19, 1986-such firearms could not be "registered" for the purpose of civilian ownersihp.

    This law made ownership of pre-existing machine guns far harder for anyone but the rich

    claiming it had no effect on anything other than machine guns is an admission of not understanding what the law is about

    but its great that liberals want machine guns to be only owned by the rich



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    Re: Should handguns be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Your right is to bear arms. Can you purchase a weapon? If so, then your rights are just fine. It is obvious that while you work yourself up over nonesense you lose sight of the Consititution and imagine that any detail of construct means you have lost it. I see no difference in your bitching than I do in a Liberals bitching. Both are extreme and ignorant and serve nothing to progress.
    You clearly are as unknowledgeable about the term INFRINGE as you are of the laws. what do you think the second amendment is about?



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