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    Are public schools socialism?

    I can't find anywhere in the constitution where it says the government has the responsibility or the right to educate our children. In the first place it is a huge tax burden,on average 27 cents of every tax dollar goes to K-12 public education. Talk about a huge, expensive, bloated, inefficient, corrupt bureaucracy, SHEEESH! Secondly our kids are not learning very well in these gov run schools , "Johnny can't read". I could go on all day but I'll sum it up by saying our schools have become more about liberal indoctrination than public education and IMO we need drastic changes such as a voucher system to insure we have an educated society. Our current system is broken and the more money we throw at it the worse it gets.

    "To get control of a budget, you need to know how much you make, how much you spend, and what you’re spending it on. We know that K – 12 education is the biggest single cost to state and local governments, eating up close to a third of their revenues. And yet most citizens and politicians have little or no idea how much we are spending on education at a per-pupil level.American taxpayers spend around $600 billion a year on K-12 public education. A sobering 27 cents of every tax dollar collected at the state or local level is consumed by the government-run K – 12 education system, compared to only 8 cents for Medicaid.
    In Virginia, 29 cents out of every state or local tax dollar collected is spent on public K-12 education. In the seven years between 2002 and 2009, per-pupil spending in Virginia increased 44 percent, according to state data. When we account for inflation, it’s increased a 21 percent.
    And these figures leave out a large but completely unknown amount of capital expenses and debt payments that cities and counties spend on behalf of public schools but which never make it onto the school district books or into the state’s accounting.
    Education spending is the single most serious burden on state and local budgets. And since runaway education spending is a major cause of our state and local budget problems, it’s the best place to look for serious savings as this fiscal crisis continues to unfold."


    The Real Cost of Public Education | Cato Institute


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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I can't find anywhere in the constitution where it says the government has the responsibility or the right to educate our children.
    Because it's a State, not Federal issue.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    In my experience, those most critical of public education tend to be those who benefitted from it the least.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Public schools have a problem. The problem isn't whether it is socialism or not..that is a bit trivial. The problem is that public schools institutionalize kids much like prisons institutionalize inmates.

    We have a bureaucracy that makes teachers teach to a standardized test which does nothing to promote creativity or critical thinking. Students usually go through the same mundane schedule day in and day out. When they get to school around 7:30am to when they leave at around 3:00pm....it rarely changes. Same with prisons from those times....the same mundane schedule.

    We need to change that because institutionalizing students is wrong. Schools should promote creativity and critical thinking. They should have schedules vary from week to week. Would that put a strain on the administrators? Sure, but we shouldn't worry about them...adapt. We worry about the kids in the schools, not the administrators who can handle themselves.

    Got to get off standardized testing...it is stifling education.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Schools, roads, fire departments, EMS, police services, bridges. Basically everything that conservatives use is paid for by a single payer socialist system. That's why I can't figure out why they hate the idea of single payer healthcare so much. The only thing I can figure out is that conservatives are either hypocrites or retards.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Because it's a State, not Federal issue.
    EXACTLY, it should be a state issue and the feds should get the hell out of the equation. Each state should handle education the way it See's fit and DC should not say a word.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    In my experience, those most critical of public education tend to be those who benefitted from it the least.
    Yeah, well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? The great schools that turn out honors students. What do they have to criticize?

    When a poor inner-city kid gets to the 10th grade and can barely read? He certainly benefited the least. He should be complaining.

    So though you meant your comment to be insulting? You accidentally hit the nail on the head.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? The great schools that turn out honors students. What do they have to criticize?

    When a poor inner-city kid gets to the 10th grade and can barely read? He certainly benefited the least. He should be complaining.

    So though you meant your comment to be insulting? You accidentally hit the nail on the head.

    You are making quite an assumption here when you consider the school entirely responsible for the educational outcome of the student while holding the student responsible for nothing.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    I think you did this already.

    Public education isn't socialism because it doesn't put the means of production or distribution entirely in the hands of the workers or government. There are still private schools, so it is a free-market system - no matter how much control Washington exerts over state schools.

    You can talk about the right that DC has to regulate state schools, and that is a fair point of disagreement, but the fact that the federal government controls some aspects of state schools does not make it socialism.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I can't find anywhere in the constitution where it says the government has the responsibility or the right to educate our children.
    That is because it does not. All federal spending on education is unconstitutional.


    State constitutions include that power / authority, however. I would concur that it is needless socialism; a robust voucher system would eliminate much of the problem with the status quo, however.

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