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Are public schools socialism?

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See in Canada we only hate you if your an illegal immigrant with criminal offenses.

we're even less tolerant in the U.S. than you are ... we hate people with criminal offenses even if they are here legally or are citizens ...
 
Personally, I think families that do not partake in the public schooling system (private or home schooled) should get a tax credit.
 
Personally, I think families that do not partake in the public schooling system (private or home schooled) should get a tax credit.

I don't agree, but you certainly are not alone ... we're a society, a very unequal one, and we should take responsibility for educating everyone as well as possible ... in any event, if we don't, we pay for it later ... poorly educated people cost us a lot more than educating them well ...
 
I don't agree, but you certainly are not alone ... we're a society, a very unequal one, and we should take responsibility for educating everyone as well as possible ... in any event, if we don't, we pay for it later ... poorly educated people cost us a lot more than educating them well ...

Why not allow them to have a tax credit? They save the government tens of thousands of dollars per child.

I support education, but I think a large part of the problem is families and students and that's not necessarily something the government can fix.
 
dear friends, I stayed on much longer than I intended ... I was in DP jail for a few days, just got out this morning and I got carried away with the freedom .. anyway, there are things about the way this Board is run that make it difficult for me to post on a regular basis, so I'll be doing most of my posting on other Boards ... but I'll check in now and then to say hello to old friends ... take care ... :2wave:
 
I don't agree, but you certainly are not alone ... we're a society, a very unequal one, and we should take responsibility for educating everyone as well as possible ... in any event, if we don't, we pay for it later ... poorly educated people cost us a lot more than educating them well ...

Ok..

Stupid rich people = public schooling...and a great future..

Clever poor people = state schools..McDonald's...

What else would you like to know??
 
dear friends, I stayed on much longer than I intended ... I was in DP jail for a few days, just got out this morning and I got carried away with the freedom .. anyway, there are things about the way this Board is run that make it difficult for me to post on a regular basis, so I'll be doing most of my posting on other Boards ... but I'll check in now and then to say hello to old friends ... take care ... :2wave:

...sigh... sob!
 
Why not allow them to have a tax credit? They save the government tens of thousands of dollars per child.

I support education, but I think a large part of the problem is families and students and that's not necessarily something the government can fix.

While I agree that personal responsibility is critical, a good part of the problem with families and students that you reference is rooted in the extraordinary economic and social (and political)inequality in this country, and the legacy of racism ... the government can do something about that, but instead, it has become more than ever a government of the corporations and wealthy, by the corporations and the wealthy, and (especially) for the corporations and the wealthy" ... :hm

I really do have to go ... take care ...
 
If education was 100% the responsibility of states each state would compete to have the best schools to entice business moving there and creating jobs for their well educated work force. Competition works.
 
dear friends, I stayed on much longer than I intended ... I was in DP jail for a few days, just got out this morning and I got carried away with the freedom .. anyway, there are things about the way this Board is run that make it difficult for me to post on a regular basis, so I'll be doing most of my posting on other Boards ... but I'll check in now and then to say hello to old friends ... take care ... :2wave:

How about you just check in when you want and don't when you don't want to without making grand statements about your intentions?
 
What are you mad you got picked on or something?

No more than anyone else I suppose. Definitely aint "mad" about the experience. Just didn't like it.
 
I can't find anywhere in the constitution where it says the government has the responsibility or the right to educate our children. In the first place it is a huge tax burden,on average 27 cents of every tax dollar goes to K-12 public education. Talk about a huge, expensive, bloated, inefficient, corrupt bureaucracy, SHEEESH! Secondly our kids are not learning very well in these gov run schools , "Johnny can't read". I could go on all day but I'll sum it up by saying our schools have become more about liberal indoctrination than public education and IMO we need drastic changes such as a voucher system to insure we have an educated society. Our current system is broken and the more money we throw at it the worse it gets.

"To get control of a budget, you need to know how much you make, how much you spend, and what you’re spending it on. We know that K – 12 education is the biggest single cost to state and local governments, eating up close to a third of their revenues. And yet most citizens and politicians have little or no idea how much we are spending on education at a per-pupil level.American taxpayers spend around $600 billion a year on K-12 public education. A sobering 27 cents of every tax dollar collected at the state or local level is consumed by the government-run K – 12 education system, compared to only 8 cents for Medicaid.
In Virginia, 29 cents out of every state or local tax dollar collected is spent on public K-12 education. In the seven years between 2002 and 2009, per-pupil spending in Virginia increased 44 percent, according to state data. When we account for inflation, it’s increased a 21 percent.
And these figures leave out a large but completely unknown amount of capital expenses and debt payments that cities and counties spend on behalf of public schools but which never make it onto the school district books or into the state’s accounting.
Education spending is the single most serious burden on state and local budgets. And since runaway education spending is a major cause of our state and local budget problems, it’s the best place to look for serious savings as this fiscal crisis continues to unfold."


The Real Cost of Public Education | Cato Institute


DAMNIT, I forgot to push the create a poll button, CRAP! :doh

Johnny can't read? Really? Most of the members here at DP are American and went through the public education system. Looks like we've got a pretty literate group here that can not only read well, but can express themselves quite well in written English. Are we all some kind of geniuses that somehow became literate despite an awful system or did the system, despite some flaws, actually work?
 
I would like to know why does Obama send his kids to private school?
 
Johnny can't read? Really? Most of the members here at DP are American and went through the public education system. Looks like we've got a pretty literate group here that can not only read well, but can express themselves quite well in written English. Are we all some kind of geniuses that somehow became literate despite an awful system or did the system, despite some flaws, actually work?

"With the start of the new academic year, results from last year's ACT college admissions tests have been made public, and the results are disturbing. The incoming freshman class is woefully unprepared for college. The class of 2016, as a group, failed all four subjects the test assesses: English, math, reading, and science. According to ACT, only 25 percent of students are proficient in all four subjects. Sixty percent came up short in two of the four subject areas, while more than 25 percent failed to demonstrate proficiency in any subject at all. If the point of high school is to prepare students for college, high schools are clearly failing. Unfortunately, this doesn't stop the undereducated masses from heading off to the ivory tower each year."


Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)
 
I would like to know why does Obama send his kids to private school?

Because he can afford to?
"With the start of the new academic year, results from last year's ACT college admissions tests have been made public, and the results are disturbing. The incoming freshman class is woefully unprepared for college. The class of 2016, as a group, failed all four subjects the test assesses: English, math, reading, and science. According to ACT, only 25 percent of students are proficient in all four subjects. Sixty percent came up short in two of the four subject areas, while more than 25 percent failed to demonstrate proficiency in any subject at all. If the point of high school is to prepare students for college, high schools are clearly failing. Unfortunately, this doesn't stop the undereducated masses from heading off to the ivory tower each year."


Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)
I would really like to see a source on this. I would also like to see demographic breakdowns. Could you please provide that, instead of an editorial piece with a clear agenda of trashing public schools?
 
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No, because he knows the public education system is horrible and he wants his kids to get a good education.
Those two are not the same thing. There's no doubt a private school, especially a school like the one I assume Obama sends his children to, has higher standards than public education. But then again, they can afford to because they have the option of only taking the best and brightest students. When you get to pick the best and most intelligent students, you SHOULD graduate students who are more prepared. If you were to close all private and charter schools and send those students to public education, you would almost certainly see a rise in the "quality" of public education.

No one has disputed that some private schools do better than public schools. But when you get to pick and choose who you let in, you SHOULD do better than a system which has to take every student, even the ones with little motivation to be there.

Public schools are for the peasant class.
You're absolutely right, and that's why we need them. It's only through public education that a child from a poor family can make something of themselves and move up to the middle class (or beyond). Without public education, we become a two class society, with the lower class never being able to move up. That's why public education is important, it gives EVERYONE a chance.
 
No, because he knows the public education system is horrible and he wants his kids to get a good education. Public schools are for the peasant class.

Actually there are some really great public schools in this country. But due to economic and social attitudes there are also some really bad ones.

But I find your umbrige with someone taking advantage of wealth rather funny given the general political position you hold. And ending public schools seems like the most ineffective and counter productive means to address the issues involved here
 
Far Right Wingers rambling on about Socialism that and Socialism this...

Gets ****ing old.

Socialism as a word with a definition has been pretty much destroyed by the modern political noise machine.

For the far right wing all it amounts to now is "Things I Don't Like".
 
Because he can afford to?

Does he not have confidence is his own country's public education system? Our prime minster, cabinet minsters, MPs, MPPs, etc. they can affords private school but most send their children to public schools. Even the insanely wealthy send their children to public school.
 
No, because he knows the public education system is horrible and he wants his kids to get a good education. Public schools are for the peasant class.

That's the message it sends when the leader of your country has no faith in the country's education system.
 
Far Right Wingers rambling on about Socialism that and Socialism this...

Gets ****ing old.

Socialism as a word with a definition has been pretty much destroyed by the modern political noise machine.

For the far right wing all it amounts to now is "Things I Don't Like".

That is why they always leave out the largest socialist program in the entire world, the U.S. military.
 
That is why they always leave out the largest socialist program in the entire world, the U.S. military.

This might be dumber than the rights need to label things socialism
 
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