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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    In my experience, those most critical of public education tend to be those who benefitted from it the least.
    Not sure if you meant that as an insult to intelligence. I definitely did not benefit very much from my high school education, but certainly not due to a lack of intelligence. I can count on 1 hand how many classes I took in four years of high school that I felt were challenging and intellectually rewarding. And all but one of them was a college level course (the other, ironically, being a debate course .) In my opinion it is sad how high school is structured around only the bottom half. Schools are graded and rewarded on the basis of how the borderline dropout students perform. I was at an A rated school, the top rated school in one of the best counties nationally for public education. And it was boring and disengaging beyond belief. I took upper level math classes where I was correcting the teacher's work on a regular basis. I think the major problem with education today is the one size fits all that we see. It forces out the bottom students who have no interest in learning subjects that have nothing to do with job skills; and holds back the top students who take classes strictly for maximizing their GPA rather then rigorously challenging them or pursuing interests.

    The only ones who are being "benefited" are the middle 60% by "reducing" the difference in GPA between them and the top level students so they look better then they actually are. This isn't done by increasing their achievement in anyway, but more so by grade manipulation which goes like this. 1: Grades are artificially boasted (or decreased) by the completion of redundent "homework rather then actually merit of knowledge 2: 30-40% of the class gets A's + 90% of the class gets an A or a B and 3: There is no difference on the transcript between the student who gets a 95%+ average on his/her tests and someone who gets a 75% average on his/her tests but gets an A due to homework and extra credit opportunities (thus reducing the difference in achievement between a mediocre student and a top student.)

    And my complaints on college are a thousand times worse. I'm finally taking classes where I feel challenged and the difference between an A and a B on a test can be measured by weeks of studying rather then an hour or two. But it is extremely irritating just how many required Gen Ed classes (that I didn't want to be in) I had to pay $700 for some old tenured professor who doesn't give a **** to read off power points with information that is inferior to someone one could find on wikipedia. Its thousands of dollars that I will never get back.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You're asking me to give away money making ideas. Why would I feel motivated to do that?
    Well, I wish you well with that -- our country always has a need for pioneering and entrepreneurial minds, but pardon us if we're hesitant to take your word for it that "the market" will fix our schools without any details on how that could work.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Any thread that begins where someone states I have looked and can't find where it says this in the constitution is going be be nonsense.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The funding is beyond proper. Feeding the problem with more has accomplished nothing.

    For example, voters obligated tax payers in Los Angeles to gave the LAUSD @ $20 billion dollars over the last 10 years to build new schools, convinced the excuses they were being given about facilities and class sizes were true. The overall public construction program rivals Boston's Bid Dig for cost, yet, how many know about the Big Dig, versus those who know about the LAUSD school construction scam.

    So LAUSD has a new $500 million High School, among other insanities, and the kids are still being poorly served.

    It's not funding, but I do agree, it is most certainly bad policy, bad management, and a very bad overall mission plan.
    Can we agree that adequate instruction and facilities require adequate funding? If so, then we need to concentrate on the management. I imagine I'm sounding like a broken record by now, but I'm specifically responding to the revoking of funds as a response to bad performance/management.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Any thread that begins where someone states I have looked and can't find where it says this in the constitution is going be be nonsense.
    Yeah, usually.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    That be the case, and I agree that it is , WHY the federal department of education ?

    Federal assistance to schools. Collect statistical data on schools. Ensure federal laws such as civil rights, privacy etc are in compliance. Student loans. Recognition of accreditting agencies.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    I think it depends upon how you define the word socialism. I couldn't care less how you define it, the fact is that our country would not have advanced as much as it has without public schools.


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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think it depends upon how you define the word socialism. I couldn't care less how you define it, the fact is that our country would not have advanced as much as it has without public schools.
    I want proof of that claim.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Can we agree that adequate instruction and facilities require adequate funding? If so, then we need to concentrate on the management. I imagine I'm sounding like a broken record by now, but I'm specifically responding to the revoking of funds as a response to bad performance/management.
    We can agree that adequate instruction and facilities require adequate funding. In fact, that really is a given, isn't it?

    Obviously, my point is that this level has been achieved in what I believe is most cases.

    Students and Parents deserve better, yet, the entrenched forces refuse to be held accoutable, the primary reason why school vouchers have been fought so hard by the left. Giving parents the freedom and right to select what is best for their children does not seem to be the aim, an amazing revelation behind the fight against such a viable solution.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, I wish you well with that -- our country always has a need for pioneering and entrepreneurial minds, but pardon us if we're hesitant to take your word for it that "the market" will fix our schools without any details on how that could work.
    I'm not entirely sure how a business model that take no money by the customer upfront is going to fix anything by itself alone. It's simply another way to provide education to the population.

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