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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    As I wrote, it's been demonstrated in schools accross the country that the issue is not funding. It has been proven in California that the issue is not funding.

    I understand that is the focus of teachers, administrators, and the Unions that control the schools, but all the evidence is in.
    And yet, ironically, you're tying bad policy or other negative practices in as examples of why adequate funding is not necessary. The problem is the policy, not the funding. With proper management and funding the quality of education would be extremely high.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    They would do it themselves or hire someone. Just like they did before. And like before the your children would reap superior benefit then they do now, because the education is tailored to them. Not to mention the parents don't have to worry about extraneous bull**** that comes with a public school education.
    You're not talking about home schooled children, are you? Because while they tend to be quite good at reading, writing and arithmetic, they're also usually complete idiots at everything else.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There are multiple reasons why even very wealthy people with even the best access to money still send their kids to private schools, or are careful to move to communities with extremely high quality public schools.

    1)Socialization and/or potential career connections.
    2)Exposing their children to ideas they themselves might not have, and most practically:
    3)Forming a curriculum is a full time job. Overseeing the education of their child personally is time consuming and would steal time away from their own ability to make a living.
    4)I could barely get through trigonometry. Calculus was 100% out of the question.
    The number one reason that wealthy people send their children to private school or hire tutors is TIME IS MONEY. That is the number one reason. That's why they do most anything. Their time is VERY valuable and it is a limited commodity there only 24 hours in a day and you cant save them. All the other reasons are ancillary.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The number one reason that wealthy people send their children to private school or hire tutors is TIME IS MONEY. That is the number one reason. That's why they do most anything. Their time is VERY valuable and it is a limited commodity there only 24 hours in a day and you cant save them. All the other reasons are ancillary.
    That was actually my important point. Were you joking then when you said parents should teach the kids themselves or hire a tutor?

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're not talking about home schooled children, are you? Because while they tend to be quite good at reading, writing and arithmetic, they're also usually complete idiots at everything else.
    Private schooling whatever the method. Most homeschooled that I have met quite frankly are much more motivated than public school with few exceptions. They do tend to be more socially awkward. But then again they don't tend to care either. Everything has its good and bad points.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You are making quite an assumption here when you consider the school entirely responsible for the educational outcome of the student while holding the student responsible for nothing.
    Its a vicious circle.
    Uneducated parents cannot educate their children.
    I recieved about 50% of my education at home - more than average, I'd say...and I was lucky...its those unlucky ones...and those who have recieved a "negative education".
    If we really want things to be better we must spend a whole lot more on schools - and this will turn Sawyers complaint into a revolution..
    Of course I do exaggerate a little.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I think somebody didn't read his mandatory Universal Declaration of Human Rights Act. Here, let me enlighten you.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Article 26.

    (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
    (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
    (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

    Got it? It's not a service. It's a right. And who must cater to the fulfillment of that right? The society. Because failure to cater to this basic human right will be the downward spiral of our society.
    The top of the page reads:

    Welcome to the United Nations. It's your world.

    In any event, no, its a service provided by people. Nothing will change that.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That was actually my important point. Were you joking then when you said parents should teach the kids themselves or hire a tutor?
    No. If one of the parents has the time, then quite frankly homeschooling is good for the early education, using tutors for things the parents don't know. The best education IMO is where the children can be part of a multigenerational working environment and are taught their academic studies in a integrated way full time year around.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And yet, ironically, you're tying bad policy or other negative practices in as examples of why adequate funding is not necessary. The problem is the policy, not the funding. With proper management and funding the quality of education would be extremely high.
    The funding is beyond proper. Feeding the problem with more has accomplished nothing.

    For example, voters obligated tax payers in Los Angeles to gave the LAUSD @ $20 billion dollars over the last 10 years to build new schools, convinced the excuses they were being given about facilities and class sizes were true. The overall public construction program rivals Boston's Bid Dig for cost, yet, how many know about the Big Dig, versus those who know about the LAUSD school construction scam.

    So LAUSD has a new $500 million High School, among other insanities, and the kids are still being poorly served.

    It's not funding, but I do agree, it is most certainly bad policy, bad management, and a very bad overall mission plan.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'd like to hear those ideas, as well as how the market can fund schools in less marketable regions.
    You're asking me to give away money making ideas. Why would I feel motivated to do that?

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