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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't care if the right thinks public education is socialism or not. a kid is not a widget, and developing our national intellectual resources should be a priority.
    No, but education is a service. One that, needs to vary from kid to kid, and the current model, while it does have some advantages compared to other countries, greatly discourages that.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is education different than anything else? Are the people involved not trying to buy a service from others in the market? Why should the government be involved in people trying to better themselves? Why should they be the party that is the deliver of this personal service of betterment?
    an educated population is in the national interest. we have to innovate our way through national problems, and we need a large pool of educated individuals to tap into. personally, i'd prefer to see everyone have a right to go to college, as well.

    the view that education is just a student buying a service is short sighted. we all benefit when a citizen is properly educated, and we suffer when many aren't. our public education system is far from perfect, but gutting it won't fix it.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    EXACTLY, it should be a state issue and the feds should get the hell out of the equation. Each state should handle education the way it See's fit and DC should not say a word.
    So you're OK with the States being socialist?


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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Public schools have a problem. The problem isn't whether it is socialism or not..that is a bit trivial. The problem is that public schools institutionalize kids much like prisons institutionalize inmates.

    We have a bureaucracy that makes teachers teach to a standardized test which does nothing to promote creativity or critical thinking. Students usually go through the same mundane schedule day in and day out. When they get to school around 7:30am to when they leave at around 3:00pm....it rarely changes. Same with prisons from those times....the same mundane schedule.

    We need to change that because institutionalizing students is wrong. Schools should promote creativity and critical thinking. They should have schedules vary from week to week. Would that put a strain on the administrators? Sure, but we shouldn't worry about them...adapt. We worry about the kids in the schools, not the administrators who can handle themselves.

    Got to get off standardized testing...it is stifling education.
    What your asking is impossible in a bloated system such as public education. It is inevitable that any huge public bureaucracy like this, institutionalization will happen. No large scale institution can customize education for each student, it would cost a gazillion dollars.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    At this point, the word "socialism" has little meaning in American politics. It's pretty much used to describe anything the federal government does that benefits someone other than the speaker. Military keeps me safe? Not socialism. Government subsidy of farmers keeps my food cheap? Not socialism. Government road service keeps the interstates going for me to use? Not socialism. Government provides healthcare for someone else? Socialism. Government educates someone else's children? Socialism. Government protects other people from abuses on the job? Socialism. And then the best one: Government provides disaster relief for my state? Not socialism. Government provides disaster relief for a state I don't live in? Socialism.

    And it's only ever the federal government. State governments are apparently immune to socialism, merely by virtue of being physically more proximate than Washington DC is.

    It's a pretty nonsensical discussion to have in the first place. It also ignores the very simple truth that a truly socialist system would be an improvement over the mess we have right now in almost every way.
    Kind of like "Nazi." It just means, "Politician I don't like or agree with." Because that's the same thing as genocide....


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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    This sums it up nicely.

    "A Violation of the 10th Amendment"


    "The federal role in education is a violation of the 10th amendment of the United States Constitution which states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government delegated the power to regulate or fund elementary or secondary education.


    Department of ED: A Bureaucratic Spending Trough


    In the face of stiff opposition, the federal government formed the Department of Education (ED) in 1979. Supporters promised that the ED would have a relatively small budget of only $14.5 billion and less than 100 employees. Today, the ED enjoys a hefty budget of over $32 billion and employs 5,100 people (89.4% of whom were deemed nonessential during the November 1995 government shutdown).1 The education spending rate since the department’s founding has risen three times as fast as non-defense discretionary programs (29.5% versus 7.9%).2



    Why Should Congress Abolish the Federal Role in Education?HSLDA | National Center Issues Alert

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This sums it up nicely.

    "A Violation of the 10th Amendment"


    "The federal role in education is a violation of the 10th amendment of the United States Constitution which states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government delegated the power to regulate or fund elementary or secondary education.


    Department of ED: A Bureaucratic Spending Trough


    In the face of stiff opposition, the federal government formed the Department of Education (ED) in 1979. Supporters promised that the ED would have a relatively small budget of only $14.5 billion and less than 100 employees. Today, the ED enjoys a hefty budget of over $32 billion and employs 5,100 people (89.4% of whom were deemed nonessential during the November 1995 government shutdown).1 The education spending rate since the department’s founding has risen three times as fast as non-defense discretionary programs (29.5% versus 7.9%).2



    Why Should Congress Abolish the Federal Role in Education?HSLDA | National Center Issues Alert
    But again, you talk about how terrible it is, but you don't mind if the States do it. Socialism is fine on a State by State basis?


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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    an educated population is in the national interest. we have to innovate our way through national problems, and we need a large pool of educated individuals to tap into. personally, i'd prefer to see everyone have a right to go to college, as well.
    So?? Why does something being in the public interest warrant the government being involved in that activity? Who cares if an educated population helps the country? That has nothing to do with the job of the government. That is a responsibility of people.

    the view that education is just a student buying a service is short sighted. we all benefit when a citizen is properly educated, and we suffer when many aren't. our public education system is far from perfect, but gutting it won't fix it.
    It's a matter of fact. People are interested in having their children educated and go out to make that interest a reality in the market where people are employed to fill this interest these parents have. Public education doesn't even really change this, but instead provides them a place to get this interest realized where other people pay for the service and the government is in charge of the educational process.

    I'm honestly not interested in fixing a system where the government is in charge of education, sorry. Mutual benefit of the government acting does not warrant anything.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What your asking is impossible in a bloated system such as public education. It is inevitable that any huge public bureaucracy like this, institutionalization will happen. No large scale institution can customize education for each student, it would cost a gazillion dollars.
    I'm a firm believer in abolishing the Department of Education and letting communities focus on it. I do not believe a large bureaucracy can help educate students.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So?? Why does something being in the public interest warrant the government being involved in that activity? Who cares if an educated population helps the country. That has nothing to do with the job of the government.
    an educated population is critical to America's future; it touches pretty much every major issue, both public and private. it's absolutely a legitimate role of government.



    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's a matter of fact. People are interested in having their children educated and go out to make that interest a reality in the market where people are employed to fill this interest these parents have. Public education doesn't even really change this, but instead provides them a place to get this interest realized where other people pays for the service and the government is in charge of the educational process.

    I'm honestly not interested in fixing a system where the government is in charge of education, sorry. Mutual benefit of the government acting does not warrant anything.
    i suppose we'll have to disagree on this one.

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