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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "With the start of the new academic year, results from last year's ACT college admissions tests have been made public, and the results are disturbing. The incoming freshman class is woefully unprepared for college. The class of 2016, as a group, failed all four subjects the test assesses: English, math, reading, and science. According to ACT, only 25 percent of students are proficient in all four subjects. Sixty percent came up short in two of the four subject areas, while more than 25 percent failed to demonstrate proficiency in any subject at all. If the point of high school is to prepare students for college, high schools are clearly failing. Unfortunately, this doesn't stop the undereducated masses from heading off to the ivory tower each year."


    Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)
    That is alarming. It makes me wonder why it is, in fact, possible to become highly literate in the United States, but evidently kids are graduating high school with poor literacy levels. I think its evident that most people on this forum are extremely literate.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    well, there would be a clear selection bias on who decides to join an internet forum to hash out political positions. But in general, I always saw our school issues mainly stemming from how schools are funded (local taxes), special interests groups pushing policy that doesn't serve the interests of students (teacher unions), and the lack of value education holds for many communities (which seems particularly bad within AA communities)

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

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    special interests groups pushing policy that doesn't serve the interests of students (teacher unions),
    Also right wing lobbyists who hate science.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Also right wing lobbyists who hate science.
    while I share your concerns about the fundies and their attempts to teach things like ID, I'm not sure it actually raises to the same level as the issues mentioned above

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Socialst? I dunno.

    But they are a well-intentioned idea that - imo - is doing more harm then good.

    Like almost all things, free enterprise is the way to go with most of America's schools.

    And leave public schools to the poor.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Does he not have confidence is his own country's public education system?
    The Washington D.C. school district can not provide the same level of security for Obama's daughters. There's more that goes into it than just quality of education.

    But to answer your question, Obama has said many times he wants better public education. That's the difference between someone like him and other people who criticize public education. Obama thinks it could be better and WANTS to make it better. Other people think it isn't good and want to shut it down.

    See the difference?

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Education spending is the single most serious burden on state and local budgets. And since runaway education spending is a major cause of our state and local budget problems, it’s the best place to look for serious savings as this fiscal crisis continues to unfold.
    The Real Cost of Public Education | Cato Institute
    In Missouri we weren't stupid enough to reduce education spending. And, yes, our budget is still balanced just like it is every year.


    CATO is a conservative group that wants public education shut down so the corporations can make more money. Personally, I'd rather not see education turned into a for profit business, that's just dumb. Next they'll want to make the military a private business as well.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In Missouri we weren't stupid enough to reduce education spending. And, yes, our budget is still balanced just like it is every year.


    CATO is a conservative group that wants public education shut down so the corporations can make more money. Personally, I'd rather not see education turned into a for profit business, that's just dumb. Next they'll want to make the military a private business as well.
    Well, educational spending in Missouri has been reduced, but only after most other options were exhausted. Of course, now legislators in Missouri are trying to find ways to allow good teachers to be removed from their position based upon small town politics, but that's another story.

    And your argument is definitely correct, but I think the real problem is people want to shut down public education to preserve the status quo of wealth distribution in this country. Public education is the great equalizer, it allows everyone to become educated and better their station in life. Those who are at the top of the wealth pyramid are fearful of public education, because it is a threat to their position. Once you get rid of public schools and turn education private, not only can these people profit from it, but it also guarantees only the wealthy can become wealthy.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Well, educational spending in Missouri has been reduced, but only after most other options were exhausted. Of course, now legislators in Missouri are trying to find ways to allow good teachers to be removed from their position based upon small town politics, but that's another story.
    you mean removing tenure? If so, that is a very strange way to characterize it

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    yes we need to have 95% illiteracy for a "better" workforce..........

    Look at the golden age of Rome or the USA in 1880! WHo needs education for the slaves!

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