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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I think you did this already.

    Public education isn't socialism because it doesn't put the means of production or distribution entirely in the hands of the workers or government. There are still private schools, so it is a free-market system - no matter how much control Washington exerts over state schools.
    With the public education system the private sector educational system is warped and interests changed. Sorry, but that is not a free market.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    With the public education system the private sector educational system is warped and interests changed. Sorry, but that is not a free market.
    It's roughly free-market, there is a governmental corporation involved but the private schools can still compete. It's not socialism.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    It's roughly free-market, there is a governmental corporation involved but the private schools can still compete. It's not socialism.

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    There is no roughly about it. Government will always be the leader of the pack and will always be calling all the shots inside and outside the market of education. To call a market where competition can not exist ever and where the government is involved is shear nonsense.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    The only thing more annoying than the right's claims that any new government-run institution or service is socialism is the snarky response from the left that every single government service currently provided is socialism. That's not what socialism. Socialism has to do with the overall economic and social structure of a society. It has very little to do with individual things like schools, roads, or healthcare.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    i don't care if the right thinks public education is socialism or not. a kid is not a widget, and developing our national intellectual resources should be a priority.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You are making quite an assumption here when you consider the school entirely responsible for the educational outcome of the student while holding the student responsible for nothing.
    I don't care who's responsible for it. Whole generations of children aren't being educated. Can't read. Can't put an intelligent sentence together on paper. Can't even speak close to proper English. And we wonder why our welfare rolls ever-increase. We should be thinking outside every box on Planet Earth. Instead, as is the definition of insanity, we keep doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result. And that is a failure of the system.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    EXACTLY, it should be a state issue and the feds should get the hell out of the equation. Each state should handle education the way it See's fit and DC should not say a word.
    DC doesn't...unless you're talking about the No Child Left Behind Act, which applies to public schools receiving Federal funding, which makes it a DC issue, though the testing etc are on a by-state basis.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't care if the right thinks public education is socialism or not. a kid is not a widget, and developing our national intellectual resources should be a priority.
    Why is education different than anything else? Are the people involved not trying to buy a service from others in the market? Why should the government be involved in people trying to better themselves? Why should they be the party that is the deliver of this personal service of betterment?

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Just take a cruise through this site to get a taste of how deep the tentacles of the Federal gov reach into education. Each state should decide how they educate their kids, how much to spend on it AND the books they will use to teach them not to mention the teachers they hire and FIRE and if those teachers have to be in the union. The cost of educating our kids could go way down and the quality of their education could go way up if the feds would stay out of the equation.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    At this point, the word "socialism" has little meaning in American politics. It's pretty much used to describe anything the federal government does that benefits someone other than the speaker. Military keeps me safe? Not socialism. Government subsidy of farmers keeps my food cheap? Not socialism. Government road service keeps the interstates going for me to use? Not socialism. Government provides healthcare for someone else? Socialism. Government educates someone else's children? Socialism. Government protects other people from abuses on the job? Socialism. And then the best one: Government provides disaster relief for my state? Not socialism. Government provides disaster relief for a state I don't live in? Socialism.

    And it's only ever the federal government. State governments are apparently immune to socialism, merely by virtue of being physically more proximate than Washington DC is.

    It's a pretty nonsensical discussion to have in the first place. It also ignores the very simple truth that a truly socialist system would be an improvement over the mess we have right now in almost every way.
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