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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I disagree. Public education has played a large role in our ascent to first world status, and we are much better educated today than 200 years ago.

    Public schools are very good.
    Compared to 200 years ago, sure.
    Not much education was needed then.

    Even though we need some amount of education today, I don't believe the primary purpose of school is to educate people, in the traditional sense.
    It's to condition people to authority, even an irrational authority.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Even though we need some amount of education today, I don't believe the primary purpose of school is to educate people, in the traditional sense.
    It's to condition people to authority, even an irrational authority.
    To some extent yes (including national authority), but our education system, even the private universities, were always designed to be practical institutions which promote vocational training.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    EXACTLY, it should be a state issue and the feds should get the hell out of the equation. Each state should handle education the way it See's fit and DC should not say a word.
    Then don't take the federal money for it. That is how it all gets bootstrapped together. Go out and advocate for tripling you property or sales tax and sever the federal cord. We intend to use private school until HS and then let the kids decide on their own what they want to do about HS. Most of the teachers at the school we are using are former public school teachers who left because they were tired of the crap they have to deal with and disruptive students who come to school just to taunt and terrorize others.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Compared to 200 years ago, sure.
    Not much education was needed then.

    Even though we need some amount of education today, I don't believe the primary purpose of school is to educate people, in the traditional sense.
    It's to condition people to authority, even an irrational authority.
    Public education serves many needs. Some people need to learn respect for authority. Some will go to med school.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    To some extent yes (including national authority), but our education system, even the private universities, were always designed to be practical institutions which promote vocational training.
    Of course they provide education, but it's littered with methods of conditioning.
    Rather than pushing real creative thought, with guidance, it's regimented creativity.

    For me, I don't believe people should be conditioned to follow authority, unless said authority is merited.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Public education serves many needs. Some people need to learn respect for authority. Some will go to med school.
    Most people are conditioned to follow authority and go do other things.
    The problem is that people are conditioned to follow irrational authority, aka things like zero tolerance policies.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course they provide education, but it's littered with methods of conditioning.
    Rather than pushing real creative thought, with guidance, it's regimented creativity.

    For me, I don't believe people should be conditioned to follow authority, unless said authority is merited.
    Your starting to sound a little disturbed.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course they provide education, but it's littered with methods of conditioning.
    Rather than pushing real creative thought, with guidance, it's regimented creativity.

    For me, I don't believe people should be conditioned to follow authority, unless said authority is merited.
    I have made my peace long ago at the notion that Foucault once said: "Knowledge is power." The status and thus power of teacher is that above student, and I believe necessarily so.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Your starting to sound a little disturbed.
    I'm disturbed by the fact that the foundation of our education system reads more like a good conspiracy theory novel.
    Most people take it for granted that it was done, to provide education and nothing else.

    Providing education was only a small part of it, the rest involved scientific racism, separation of the classes, etc.
    At it's core, our system is still Prussian in design.
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most people are conditioned to follow authority and go do other things.
    The problem is that people are conditioned to follow irrational authority, aka things like zero tolerance policies.
    People learn the truth. The rich loud,violent or popular tend to get what they want.

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