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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Socialism tends to bring things down to the lowest common denominator so I do think our public education system is socialist, sure its free and everyone gets the same education but what that really means is they get the same low quality education.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Socialism tends to bring things down to the lowest common denominator so I do think our public education system is socialist, sure its free and everyone gets the same education but what that really means is they get the same low quality education.
    How do you explain countries with more socialistic systems than our having better educational outcomes?
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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you explain countries with more socialistic systems than our having better educational outcomes?
    I don't know how other countries school systems work I just know ours doesn't and we need to get rid of the dept of education. We need to let each state decide how it educates its kids and the feds should have absolutely no say on any aspect of it. Some of the socialist countries you are talking about are as small as one of our states so in a way you prove my point, keep education local.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you explain countries with more socialistic systems than our having better educational outcomes?
    The old Soviet Union turned out very smart children, but those children had to succeed or they would go nowhere. The alternative for failure would be a lifetime of working in a factory making nothing as far as wages. Also, children who didn't study and try hard, were severely punished. Russian schools used this fear of severe punishment to force the children to apply themselves. How do I know this? I used to work with a Russian, who grew up in the Soviet Union. He is now an American citizen, very smart, I might add, but who told me horror stories of his life in the Soviet school system.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't know how other countries school systems work I just know ours doesn't
    Yes, it does, for anyone who truly wants to become educated.

    Socioeconomic inequality among U.S. students skews international comparisons of test scores, finds a new report released today by the Stanford Graduate School of Education and the Economic Policy Institute. When differences in countries' social class compositions are adequately taken into account, the performance of U.S. students in relation to students in other countries improves markedly.

    Based on their analysis, the co-authors found that average U.S. scores in reading and math on the PISA are low partly because a disproportionately greater share of U.S. students comes from disadvantaged social class groups, whose performance is relatively low in every country. As part of the study, Carnoy and Rothstein calculated how international rankings on the most recent PISA might change if the United States had a social class composition similar to that of top-ranking nations: U.S. rankings would rise to fourth from 14th in reading and to 10th from 25th in math. The gap between U.S. students and those from the highest-achieving countries would be cut in half in reading and by at least a third in math.
    Poor ranking on international test misleading about US student performance, researcher finds

    There's some other good information in the article as well.

    We need to let each state decide how it educates its kids
    We already do. *shrug*

    and the feds should have absolutely no say on any aspect of it.
    I'm pretty certain they don't have nearly as much power as you think they do...but if you don't do as the fed asks, you don't get fed money. So you have to decide if you want the money or not.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    The free market needs an informed consumer to operate efficiently.

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Yes. We need loads of private and charter schools...

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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    The old Soviet Union turned out very smart children, but those children had to succeed or they would go nowhere. The alternative for failure would be a lifetime of working in a factory making nothing as far as wages. Also, children who didn't study and try hard, were severely punished. Russian schools used this fear of severe punishment to force the children to apply themselves. How do I know this? I used to work with a Russian, who grew up in the Soviet Union. He is now an American citizen, very smart, I might add, but who told me horror stories of his life in the Soviet school system.
    We don't have to look back that far, or under those conditions.

    "Despite our long history of educational leadership and the historic gains from investing in education, the United States has been falling behind. Today, the skill sets that many Americans possess make them less competitive both at home and internationally. Despite spending approximately $3,000 more per student than the OECD average across primary, secondary and postsecondary education, the United States scores below the OECD average in mathematics, and no better than average in science and reading."



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    Re: Are public schools socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It doesn't really matter if schools are socialism or not.
    What matters is if they're achieving universal goals of providing high end education to the children.

    In my opinion, and I'm pretty hard core libertarian on this issue, they do not.
    I believe that schools primary objective is to institutionalize children, so they become passive adults.
    It's a sort of brainwashing, education is secondary.

    When education was made compulsory and when the feds got involved, the majority of the population was not uneducated.
    So to assume that sans government involvement, that people would be uneducated is incorrect.

    Today, schools largely function as a baby sitting service for parents, education comes next, as least from the parents perspective.
    I disagree. Public education has played a large role in our ascent to first world status, and we are much better educated today than 200 years ago.

    Public schools are very good.

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