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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I agree with almost everything you wrote. The only thing I take issue with is the notion that you have to never speak your own language. They tell exchange students to not speak English in the foreign country because they don't want them to do as you've described. They don't want them to congregate with other Americans and speak English all the time, thus never learning the foreign language. However, as long as you get daily practice with the new language, you'll learn more and more of it each day. You can sometimes switch back to English and still learn the other language. The problem comes when people end up relying on English and not practicing the language they went over there to learn.
    I am English..I am talking about when I lived in France..as long as I had a bi-lingual French/English speaker with me..I would keep asking..''what did he say?''

    Then very suddenly..my interpreter left...leaving me to sink or swim..

    I find that immigrants colonize various areas..and do not feel the need to totally immerse themselves in the language..

    All they need to know is ..tea break..overtime...etc

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    If they stay out of the South they should be fine then.
    You do realize that there are more regional accents and slang besides the south right?

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    You do realize that there are more regional accents and slang besides the south right?
    Yes it's just the Southern dialect seems to use them more often and the accent I find is generally undesirable like the Quebecois accent in French or the English Brummy accent.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I am English..I am talking about when I lived in France..as long as I had a bi-lingual French/English speaker with me..I would keep asking..''what did he say?''

    Then very suddenly..my interpreter left...leaving me to sink or swim..

    I find that immigrants colonize various areas..and do not feel the need to totally immerse themselves in the language..

    All they need to know is ..tea break..overtime...etc
    I can see that. My situation was I was on exchange in Germany and I found a German boyfriend who wasn't very good at English. My German was better than his English so we spoke German all the time. I also lived in a dorm with mostly students from Germany. The ones not from there were from places like Japan and Korea whose languages I did not know. Therefore in the dorm I also spoke German all the time. When I did encounter students from the US or England it was only natural to speak in English. That did not stop me from learning German because I was practicing German all the time.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I'll agree that Americans make many English errors. Haven't you noticed that only the most well-educated blacks seem to speak grammatically correctly? So make sure you throw the vast majority of blacks in with the rednecks you want to deport.

    By the way, one of my pet peeves is the overgeneralization of using "I" instead of "me".
    I said rather deport, not that I'd wish to deport anyone over something so trivial. I can take shots against rednecks cause I grew up surrounded by them. It's a mentality of "I'm white, so I deserve to be here and you don't," except that's not an acceptable thing to say, so they justify it in other terms, like non-English speaking.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They speak English just fine. That is just their local dialect, and if youre in their region, then its their prerogative. However, if they moved to a different region I would expect them to adapt as well.
    That's not what I'm referring to. It's because they never read and have no means to express themselves other than 'that's gay / retarded.'

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    I was just wondering. What's the best language to troll in?

    If it was not against the rules.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Do you speak another language? I'd bet you don't because you're not showing much knowledge of the topic. You can check with any linguist. The fact is most people who learn a second language as an adult will always have at least somewhat of an accent no matter how hard they work. Twenty years later they'll still have an accent. That's most people. Some people with exceptional talent manage to completely shed their accent. That's the very few. Some people, the less talented, will have a very heavy accent permanently no matter how hard they work or how long. Language is something that not everyone has the same natural ability at. It's a classic bell curve and it's a fact.

    I wrote this poll because I see some Americans being rude to foreigners out of ignorance. Most of the time it's unintentional. Someone might rattle off fast English and not slow down when the person clearly doesn't understand. Sometimes people throw fits saying, "They should learn English" when the person is learning it, but isn't good at it yet. Sometimes people complain over accents that the person can't help.
    Ad hominem. If you are going to get upset about people being rude, then you should not be rude to the people who responded to your rant.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Ad hominem. If you are going to get upset about people being rude, then you should not be rude to the people who responded to your rant.
    I did not post any rant and was not rude to you. Your posts are not showing much knowledge of what it's like to learn a foreign language. It's why I suspect you don't know one. If you don't, it certainly does NOT mean that you're stupid. I apologize if I implied otherwise. It only means you don't have knowledge in that area in the same way that I have almost no knowledge of what it's like to be a fighter pilot or the goalie of an NHL hockey team.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I did not post any rant and was not rude to you. Your posts are not showing much knowledge of what it's like to learn a foreign language. It's why I suspect you don't know one. If you don't, it certainly does NOT mean that you're stupid. I apologize if I implied otherwise. It only means you don't have knowledge in that area in the same way that I have almost no knowledge of what it's like to be a fighter pilot or the goalie of an NHL hockey team.
    Ad hominem again.

    "an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument"

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