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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Most Americans can't speak English worth a damn in my experience, so I don't know what the problem is. Seriously, I have met many foreigners with a far greater mastery of the language, and multiple languages, than your typical redneck native. I would rather deport the latter.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The native language is the one that gets ingrained. Some people have the natural ability to learn another language with minimal accent. Others don't. Some people will have a heavy accent no matter how long they're in the United States or how hard they work to learn the new language. It's just the way it is.
    I don't agree. Its just a matter of thinking and practicing. There are plenty of people who have done it. Thus everyone can do it.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Most Americans can't speak English worth a damn in my experience, so I don't know what the problem is. Seriously, I have met many foreigners with a far greater mastery of the language, and multiple languages, than your typical redneck native. I would rather deport the latter.
    They speak English just fine. That is just their local dialect, and if youre in their region, then its their prerogative. However, if they moved to a different region I would expect them to adapt as well.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I don't agree. Its just a matter of thinking and practicing. There are plenty of people who have done it. Thus everyone can do it.
    Having lived in several foreign countries..I find that people tend to live near and with their countrymen...always speaking their native languages..and just learning enough of the adopted language to get by..

    The only real way to learn a language is to live amongst the native speakers and never speak your own..

    It is hard..can't understand TV..If people look at you and you can't understand them, you think they are saying something negative about you..you cannot read a newspaper..it is very lonely until you pick the language up!!

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    I usually reserve my disdain for those who were born and rasied in an English speaking country and still don't know how to weild the language.

    Interestingly, it is usually people such as these who are the most likely to ridicule those trying to learn English as a second language.
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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    ¿Que?

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Most Americans can't speak English worth a damn in my experience, so I don't know what the problem is. Seriously, I have met many foreigners with a far greater mastery of the language, and multiple languages, than your typical redneck native. I would rather deport the latter.
    I'll agree that Americans make many English errors. Haven't you noticed that only the most well-educated blacks seem to speak grammatically correctly? So make sure you throw the vast majority of blacks in with the rednecks you want to deport.

    By the way, one of my pet peeves is the overgeneralization of using "I" instead of "me".
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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The first 40 seconds....


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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I don't agree. Its just a matter of thinking and practicing. There are plenty of people who have done it. Thus everyone can do it.
    Do you speak another language? I'd bet you don't because you're not showing much knowledge of the topic. You can check with any linguist. The fact is most people who learn a second language as an adult will always have at least somewhat of an accent no matter how hard they work. Twenty years later they'll still have an accent. That's most people. Some people with exceptional talent manage to completely shed their accent. That's the very few. Some people, the less talented, will have a very heavy accent permanently no matter how hard they work or how long. Language is something that not everyone has the same natural ability at. It's a classic bell curve and it's a fact.

    I wrote this poll because I see some Americans being rude to foreigners out of ignorance. Most of the time it's unintentional. Someone might rattle off fast English and not slow down when the person clearly doesn't understand. Sometimes people throw fits saying, "They should learn English" when the person is learning it, but isn't good at it yet. Sometimes people complain over accents that the person can't help.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Having lived in several foreign countries..I find that people tend to live near and with their countrymen...always speaking their native languages..and just learning enough of the adopted language to get by..

    The only real way to learn a language is to live amongst the native speakers and never speak your own..

    It is hard..can't understand TV..If people look at you and you can't understand them, you think they are saying something negative about you..you cannot read a newspaper..it is very lonely until you pick the language up!!
    I agree with almost everything you wrote. The only thing I take issue with is the notion that you have to never speak your own language. They tell exchange students to not speak English in the foreign country because they don't want them to do as you've described. They don't want them to congregate with other Americans and speak English all the time, thus never learning the foreign language. However, as long as you get daily practice with the new language, you'll learn more and more of it each day. You can sometimes switch back to English and still learn the other language. The problem comes when people end up relying on English and not practicing the language they went over there to learn.

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