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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I speak three languages: English (my native language), German (fluently as a 2nd language), and French (on a rudimentary level). I can tell you that it's hard to learn another language. It's not something that you accomplish in easily in 30 days, despite what some marketers of language courses may tell you. I feel for people new to the country who are struggling to get up and running with English, but are not always treated respectfully.

    Hence, my question on whether it's important to be considerate toward people who aren't good at speaking English yet. Note: The poll is not about people who come to the US and never bother to learn English. It's about people who come here and commit to learning the language, but who have not yet reached proficiency. They may speak with a heavy accent, use bad grammar, use poor word choices, or lack the vocabulary to say what they mean. But they're trying.

    By being considerate to them, I mean speaking slowly to help them understand or sticking to basic vocabulary, or defining a word for them if they say they don't understand it. It could mean speaking in their language if you happen to know it.
    It depends on how long they've been here. If they have lived here for 10 years and you still cant understand them, then I can only be so considerate. Those people are not trying.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    I speak five different languages but no one understands a word I say.

    So yes, be kind.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    We should be considerate of everyone.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It depends on how long they've been here. If they have lived here for 10 years and you still cant understand them, then I can only be so considerate. Those people are not trying.
    You don't know that. English pronunciation is very, very hard for a person from an Asian country. No Asian language is pronounced even remotely like English. This makes English a serious tongue twister for Asian speakers. It's the same reason why it's so very much harder for an English speaker to learn Korean than French, Spanish, or German. It's entirely possible for a person to come here from Korea, China, Japan, or another Asian country and to work hard to learn the grammar and to expand his vocabulary very well, but to have a rough time with pronunciation. Just like anything, some people are more talented at learning languages than others. You might have one person come from Korea and work hard to learn English and barely have any accent in three years. Another person might work just as hard, but still have a heavy accent in 10 years. I met an Asian man who was saying a word to me that I just for the life of me could not understand. Finally I had him write it down. It wasn't that he didn't know the right word to use. It was just hard for him to pronounce.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You don't know that. English pronunciation is very, very hard for a person from an Asian country. No Asian language is pronounced even remotely like English. This makes English a serious tongue twister for Asian speakers. It's the same reason why it's so very much harder for an English speaker to learn Korean than French, Spanish, or German. It's entirely possible for a person to come here from Korea, China, Japan, or another Asian country and to work hard to learn the grammar and to expand his vocabulary very well, but to have a rough time with pronunciation. Just like anything, some people are more talented at learning languages than others. You might have one person come from Korea and work hard to learn English and barely have any accent in three years. Another person might work just as hard, but still have a heavy accent in 10 years. I met an Asian man who was saying a word to me that I just for the life of me could not understand. Finally I had him write it down. It wasn't that he didn't know the right word to use. It was just hard for him to pronounce.
    10 years immersion and working in a professional job should make you figure out how to communicate with Americans. The problem is they go home and speak Chinese or whatever, I would think.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I speak three languages: English (my native language), German (fluently as a 2nd language), and French (on a rudimentary level). I can tell you that it's hard to learn another language. It's not something that you accomplish in easily in 30 days, despite what some marketers of language courses may tell you. I feel for people new to the country who are struggling to get up and running with English, but are not always treated respectfully.

    Hence, my question on whether it's important to be considerate toward people who aren't good at speaking English yet. Note: The poll is not about people who come to the US and never bother to learn English. It's about people who come here and commit to learning the language, but who have not yet reached proficiency. They may speak with a heavy accent, use bad grammar, use poor word choices, or lack the vocabulary to say what they mean. But they're trying.

    By being considerate to them, I mean speaking slowly to help them understand or sticking to basic vocabulary, or defining a word for them if they say they don't understand it. It could mean speaking in their language if you happen to know it.
    Of course, we should be considerate of everyone.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    10 years immersion and working in a professional job should make you figure out how to communicate with Americans. The problem is they go home and speak Chinese or whatever, I would think.
    The native language is the one that gets ingrained. Some people have the natural ability to learn another language with minimal accent. Others don't. Some people will have a heavy accent no matter how long they're in the United States or how hard they work to learn the new language. It's just the way it is.

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    To illustrate how stupid the English language is, and why it's so godamned difficult to learn, I present this:

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    Re: Is it important to be considerate to those who can't speak English well?

    Imo, you should be considerate to everyone in general, not based on their mastery of the English language. That being said, I don't think it's our responsibility to learn another language, or supply interpreters, just because someone else can't speak the language. If someone comes here, it is their responsibility to learn how to communicate for maximum personal benefit. If they don't, I don't care, but it's their own problem to take care of, not ours collectively.
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