View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't understand your point here. What does any of that have to do with what I said?
    Addressing your concern with discrimination.

    A brother and sister want to get married? Don't give a ****. People who don't know each other want to get married? Don't give a ****. Cheating? Polygamy? Don't give a ****. Though there are logical arguments against people of very close relation getting it on given the understanding of science and genetics. And there's arguments against polygamy given that almost every instance of polygamous society in the modern world has been one built on oppression, sexism, subjugation, and exile. Also Utah wasn't allowed into the Republic till it denounced polygamy; so there's precedent for that one.

    But none of this would matter if there were no marriage license. Think the Founders had to ask government's permission to be married? Think again.
    ALL of those types of marriages are presently banned in the United States. Would it be only logical and fair to allow those as well?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Would it be only logical and fair to allow those as well?
    If you ended the marriage license, how would you regulate it?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I know I didn't over much to work with, but you could say more than you are.
    You have marriage, a fundamental element of every single society on the face of the planet, back into perpetuity, and you magically think that all of the people who are married are going to vote themselves out of benefits they receive for being married, based on your say so?

    Seriously? I guess I didn't realize how delusional some libertarians actually are!
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you ended the marriage license, how would you regulate it?
    My question was based on the premise that marriage licenses would still be government issued and as long as they are no one should be denied equality.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    How do they come to terms? Via lawyers and courts. Judges can block block the sale of property. Freeze liquid assets and prevent a parent from fleeing with children. All of that comes before terms are agreed to.
    The same way anyone else does. Why is marriage somehow needed to deal with any of these issues? Do people out of marriage not have children, not share a deed to a house, not deal with share assets? Yes, they do and just how do you think they manage without a marriage contract? I don't see why its all of a sudden different because of marriage.

    Are you saying, though, that contracts aren't necessary to protect parties from damage? That is the point I addressed in the quoted response.
    To the most part people should be left to their own devices to deal with private matters and the state should handle any claims as unchanged until those parties ask for a change. I don't see why the state has to be the middle man until a decision is made.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    My question was based on the premise that marriage licenses would still be government issued and as long as they are no one should be denied equality.
    Then if you wish to infringe upon one's right to contract, you have to come up with proper argument to excuse the use of government force. Ergo, you don't want it legal, you produce the argument.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You have marriage, a fundamental element of every single society on the face of the planet, back into perpetuity, and you magically think that all of the people who are married are going to vote themselves out of benefits they receive for being married, based on your say so?

    Seriously? I guess I didn't realize how delusional some libertarians actually are!
    People are selfish and this problem will have to finish to its natural end until anything changes. The same as it ever was. When the government puts in motion a power it usually never goes away until that government does. Nothing ever will change there. People want power, they want easy advantages, and they surely want a nanny.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People are selfish and this problem will have to finish to its natural end until anything changes. The same as it ever was.
    So in other words, you admit that ending government involvement in marriage is just a pipe dream. Gotcha.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So in other words, you admit that ending government involvement in marriage is just a pipe dream. Gotcha.
    There is a difference between knowing what is right and knowing what is possible. I'm not simply going to change my position because people are weak and refuse to accept the right answer. The answer is always going to be right regardless of popular opinion and I have no reason what so ever to change my opinion when it is right.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    that wasnt a compromise because it wasnt equal

    it factually doesnt grant as many rights and protections
    it wasnt as binding
    and even if it was equal, equal but the same is still discrimination
    Can you prove any of that? On the first count, California has a civil union law that confers every entitlement (they're not rights) that the state confers to the married. If you want equity in federal entitlements, go for a federal civil union law.

    On the second, how so? AFAIK it's every bit as much a binding contract as your marriage license. At least in California. Civil union legislation varies by state.

    And the third begs the question, so you're not after equality here but the title?

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