View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

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  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What I won't do is waste my time responding to your incoherent drivel point by point.
    Translation: All my arguments here have failed so I will change the goal posts and claim a win.

    We are talking about RIGHTS not LAW. When you cite what the LAW is you are not addressing the argument. You essentially say that you have no argument, no logical rebuttal.

    You and a few others who 'think' like you are the ones who are wasting their time, shoveling sand against the overwhelming tide. The 1964 Civil Rights Act was approved by the U.S. Congress, signed by President Johnson and tested and approved by the U.S. Supreme Court. You are out of touch with the vast majority of Americans on the left and right.

    Anyone who, like you, doesn't like this law, can try to change it through the ballot box, and ultimately by amending the U.S. Constitution. I see very little chance of that ever happening. Only a small minority of Americans are opposed to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, so I choose to ignore them.
    So again I ask. Did the blacks have no rights until the 1964 Civil Rights Act was enacted? Your arguments seem to be based around the concept that rights are defined by law. If indeed blacks actually had the right to vote prior to the CRA and the 15th amendment, then you cannot argue that we don't have the right to deny people to shop our privately held stores for whatever reason. The argument is that a right exists even if the law doesn't support or allow it. Counter the argument! If you can.

    You and those on your side lost this argument back in 1964. The USA will not be going back to Jim Crow laws, no matter how much those in your small minority scream and moan.
    There you go shifting the goal post again. Jim Crow laws REQUIRED discrimination. No one had a choice to not discriminate under Jim Crow laws. CRA laws REQUIRE non-discrimination. No one has a choice to discriminate under CRA laws. We are advocating for the freedom to choose. I guess you are against such freedoms.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    So again I ask. Did the blacks have no rights until the 1964 Civil Rights Act was enacted? Your arguments seem to be based around the concept that rights are defined by law. If indeed blacks actually had the right to vote prior to the CRA and the 15th amendment, then you cannot argue that we don't have the right to deny people to shop our privately held stores for whatever reason. The argument is that a right exists even if the law doesn't support or allow it. Counter the argument! If you can.
    No, rights are defined by society and they are codified by law. Blacks who were slaves back before the Civil War were not free, no matter how much you wish they were. They had very few rights, no matter how much you wish they did. It's not an argument that rights are these ethereal things that just float around and exist whether anyone recognizes them or not, that's absurd. That's a wholly unsupported claim.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I guess you are against such freedoms.


    I support the law.

    Those who don't are members of a small minority.

    Get back to me when you change the law.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I support the law.

    Those who don't are members of a small minority.

    Get back to me when you change the law.
    I support laws that take away your rights. We will all be slaves together.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I support the law.

    Those who don't are members of a small minority.

    Get back to me when you change the law.
    Actually no. Most people have at least some laws they do not support and they work to change those laws by whatever means are available, this includes going through the court systems where available to have laws struck down. They may obey the laws, but supporting a law and obeying the law are two completely different things.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, rights are defined by society and they are codified by law. Blacks who were slaves back before the Civil War were not free, no matter how much you wish they were. They had very few rights, no matter how much you wish they did. It's not an argument that rights are these ethereal things that just float around and exist whether anyone recognizes them or not, that's absurd. That's a wholly unsupported claim.
    So then you disagree with the part of the Declaration of Independence that people "...are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I support the law.

    Those who don't are members of a small minority.

    Get back to me when you change the law.
    So then when/if SSM becomes law you will then support SSM?

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    I have a compromise.

    Tell the government to 'f' off.

    It is none of their business if I want to marry a woman, a man or an attractive table lamp.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I have a compromise.

    Tell the government to 'f' off.

    It is none of their business if I want to marry a woman, a man or an attractive table lamp.
    It is if you want one of them to have certain recognition as a legal family member. The woman has the right to be considered your legal family, just as all humans can be someone's family, either by choice or by birth. Inanimate objects on the other hand do not have such rights, or any for that matter.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is if you want one of them to have certain recognition as a legal family member. The woman has the right to be considered your legal family, just as all humans can be someone's family, either by choice or by birth. Inanimate objects on the other hand do not have such rights, or any for that matter.
    Jeez...obviously it's a joke.

    The point is I should be able to legally marry anyone and get full benefits under the law. and so should my spouse - providing it is human.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I support laws that take away your rights. We will all be slaves together.


    When and if those laws are ever passed.

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