View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

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  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Actually, I'm pretty confused about that myself. Where is the line drawn between denying black patrons and those signs I see everywhere that say "we can refuse service to anybody for any reason?"
    I think it still can legally be done if they play the shell game right. I know of a restaurant who's identity I'll keep to myself that seems to have an unwritten policy of no blacks allowed. I was actually asked to leave when I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s. If I told you where everybody would be completely shocked, especially considering the demographic make up of the community where its located. They're possibly shut down at this point anyway and might trigger a huge incident if I gave any info on their identity. What they do is call it a "private club" and limit patrons to those who have gone through a membership process and their guests. What criteria they use to grant membership, I'm not sure but there are probably ways to do it so that unwanted groups are kept out especially if you keep the entity obscure and low profile. If people wanted to have a restaurant where they knew no gays would be there, simply set up a private club for hetero-sexual dating or a club that offers support for people planning to give birth to children who get advise and mentoring from those who already have. Part of the club's benefits are networking opportunities at their members only restaurant. Then be careful not to talk about it, avoid media exposure, don't advertise and put it in an out of the way location.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is that a question to me?
    It was a question to anyone who could answer it.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Thanks Captain. I was unaware that the law abridged their rights.
    Its not "Their rights". If you open up a business and want to profit from our society...you have to play by the rules. Plain and simple. You do not have the "right" to do anything you want in the business world.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Actually, I'm pretty confused about that myself. Where is the line drawn between denying black patrons and those signs I see everywhere that say "we can refuse service to anybody for any reason?"
    If you fire an employee just because they have brown eyes, is a woman, or is a Muslim, they are going to win a wrongful-termination claim against you and draw unemployment off of you:
    Wrongful Termination of At Will Employment

    The Civil Rights Act in 1964 extended anti-discrimination protections to employees, whose employment could no longer be terminated for reasons such as their race, gender, skin color, religion, or national origin. Additional legal protections now exist to deter certain forms of age discrimination. Following the creation of these anti-discrimination laws, it became possible for employees to argue that their terminations were "pretextual" - that is, although their employers were citing lawful reasons to terminate their employment, their employers were actually motivated by unlawful discriminatory motives.

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    Some states will permit an "at will" employee to bring a lawsuit on the basis that the employer violated an implied covenant of "good faith and fair dealing" in association with the termination decision. In such states, even with an at-will employee, the employer must extend some degree of fairness in the decision to terminate employment.

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    If you remove a customer just because they have brown eyes, is a woman, or is a Muslim, you will be cited by the State for braking Public Accommodation codes.

    For example:
    South Dakota Code 20-13-23

    20-13-23. Public accommodations--Unfair or discriminatory practices. It shall be an unfair or discriminatory practice for any person engaged in the provision of public accommodations because of race, color, creed, religion, sex, ancestry, disability, or national origin, to fail or refuse to provide to any person access to the use of and benefit from the services and facilities of such public accommodations; or to accord adverse, unlawful, or unequal treatment to any person with respect to the availability of such services and facilities, the price or other consideration therefor, the scope and equality thereof, or the terms and conditions under which the same are made available, including terms and conditions relating to credit, payment, warranties, delivery, installation, and repair.
    When you open your business to the public, you have to conduct 'fair and equal treatment' to each person who voluntarily walks through your door. You cannot deny access to your business just because a customer is one of these protected classes. You cannot refuse to sell to a customer just because the customer belongs to one of these classes.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not "Their rights". If you open up a business and want to profit from our society...you have to play by the rules. Plain and simple. You do not have the "right" to do anything you want in the business world.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When you open your business to the public, you have to conduct 'fair and equal treatment' to each person who voluntarily walks through your door.
    That would mean that no one has to follow such rules since no business in existence is open to the public, but instead to who the owner/s wants in. Don't you just love improper word choice in laws?

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That would mean that no one has to follow such rules since no business in existence is open to the public, but instead to who the owner/s wants in. Don't you just love improper word choice in laws?
    No. With few exceptions ALL businesses are open to the public.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No. With few exceptions ALL businesses are open to the public.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No. With few exceptions ALL businesses are open to the public.
    Where do you get that silly idea? All property is open to who the owner/s wants in. This idea that somehow business is different is simply wrong.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Where do you get that silly idea? All property is open to who the owner/s wants in. This idea that somehow business is different is simply wrong.
    Yeah, you go trying to ban blacks at your place of business and see how that works out for you.
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