View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Marriage has always been about a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    Anything else has never been marriage.

    Your spin is irrelevent.
    Not in Arizona. Utah too.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Not in Arizona. Utah too.
    False, obviously.

    No pocketed violations have ever invalidated the reality that marriage is, was, and always will be between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    I mean, from your perspective, if someone illegally sneaks a cat into a dog show, it was therefore never a dog show and cats have always been allowed.

    Absolutely ludicrous!
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    False, obviously.

    No pocketed violations have ever invalidated the reality that marriage is, was, and always will be between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    I mean, from your perspective, if someone illegally sneaks a cat into a dog show, it was therefore never a dog show and cats have always been allowed.

    Absolutely ludicrous!
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Keep in mind that SCOTUS also ruled that women did not in fact have the right to vote.

    SCOTUS isn't the last word on anything.


    Ultimately, American voters have the last word.

    They elect the people who make the laws, and can change the Constitution and the laws.

    Once enough people decided that nation wide prohibition was a bad idea it was gone.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Government growth into our personal affairs is not evolution. It never was and it never will be.



    Are you saying that the 1964 U.S. Civil Rights Act which ended segregation and forces places of public accommodation to treat all human beings the same is a bad thing?

    If not, what are you saying?



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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I mean, from your perspective, if someone illegally sneaks a cat into a dog show, it was therefore never a dog show and cats have always been allowed.
    Whether you're aware of it or not, you've just partially demonstrated why historical arguments are called historical fallacies.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Are you saying that the 1964 U.S. Civil Rights Act which ended segregation and forces places of public accommodation to treat all human beings the same is a bad thing?

    If not, what are you saying?
    The only organization that must accommodate all people is the government and so in that respect it was fine. On the hand, that bill also made it so bushinesses had to accommodate people and so in that respect it was bad. Btw, businesses have never been and never will be open to the public.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The only organization that must accommodate all people is the government and so in that respect it was fine. On the hand, that bill also made it so bushinesses had to accommodate people and so in that respect it was bad. Btw, businesses have never been and never will be open to the public.


    What you are saying here is that restaurants and hotels that serve Whites should not have to serve Blacks, it should be up to their personal discretion.

    Is that correct?

    Do you really think that?

    If you do, you have a problem.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Except that they can limit that right if the person you love is too young, or you are too young, or if you are blood related, or if you are related through someone else's marriage...... So they can limit who can marry whom, based on numerous factors.

    Take the case of my sister in law. She wasn't allowed to marry a guy, who she never lived with, never knew, just because she found out later on that he was actually her half-brother that was given up for adoption.

    Your bolded statement is false. Marriage to "the person you love" is not a basic fundamental right.
    Thats what a lot of people do not understand. Discrimination in and of itself is not illegal. The Constitution requires that the government have a compelling interest that justifies the discrimination when the discrimination affects a fundamental or enumerated right. The Government DOES have a compelling interest in not allowing underage or incestuous relationships. The issue that the Supreme Court is taking up right now is whether the state has a compelling interest that justifies a same-sex exclusion to marriage. We will know in a couple of months. They may decide to skirt the issue and rule of procedural grounds though...that is what many who followed the arguments say is quite possibly going to happen.

    As for your final point. You are just simply dead wrong. The SCOTUS in Loving v. Virginia found that the right to marry IS a fundamental right. It just goes back to the question of whether the government has a compelling reason to discriminate regarding exclusions.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What you are saying here is that restaurants and hotels that serve Whites should not have to serve Blacks, it should be up to their personal discretion.

    Is that correct?

    Do you really think that?
    It is there private property and they have the right to control access to such property, so yes, I do.

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