View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, if you're going down that route - since all systems move toward entropy, it's more a journey towards chaos.
    Like, Ontologuy, you're concluding a worst case scenario that has no relation to past comparisons. If you think that increased civil liberties results in chaos, then I'd certainly be happy to hear of any examples you have to support this theory.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Biologically speaking, according to natural selection, gay marriage would not be worth a damn to the evolution of our species, besides the obvious extinction of people who want to cohabit with others of the same sex.
    And the third one to conclude a worst case scenario not related to history.

    1.Since gay people account for no more than around 15%, the survival of our species will be fine, which is moot anyway because
    2.Gay people can have children, none of which really has anything to do with marriage because
    3.Marriage doesn't make people have children, it just happens to be a healthier environment for the raising of children.

    So this biological argument fails in every conceivable way.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Time for yet another reminder. Read up on the events and motives that made the 14th necessary. It was all about making post Civil War legislation constitutional. So the 14th applied perfectly to the issue at hand in Loving vs. Virginia.
    Irrelevant to this discussion. The point is that various states had laws forbidding interracial marriage, and the Supreme court ruled those laws unconstitutional. Which is why you can marry a Korean or a black woman, and your marriage will be recognized as you drive cross country. Thanks increased government for that.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Irrelevant to this discussion. The point is that various states had laws forbidding interracial marriage, and the Supreme court ruled those laws unconstitutional. Which is why you can marry a Korean or a black woman, and your marriage will be recognized as you drive cross country. Thanks increased government for that.
    Keep in mind that SCOTUS also ruled that women did not in fact have the right to vote.

    SCOTUS isn't the last word on anything.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Keep in mind that SCOTUS also ruled that women did not in fact have the right to vote.

    SCOTUS isn't the last word on anything.
    Are you suggesting that if DOMA is ruled unconstitutional that the SC decision could itself be overturned later?

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Are you suggesting that if DOMA is ruled unconstitutional that the SC decision could itself be overturned later?
    You're inferring it, doesn't mean I'm suggesting it.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're inferring it, doesn't mean I'm suggesting it.
    Okay. Good talk.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Im sorry... are you a supreme court judge? Didn't think so.



    When you can point out that "precedent" to me, we can talk.
    Read the friggin case....its right there. The opinion walks you right through it. They begin by analyzing marriage and determine that the right to marry the person you love is one of the most fundamental rights we have as human beings. Then...in that context they analyze whether the government has a compelling interest in limiting that right to same-race couples only. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Its a very easy case to read.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Says the one who is trying to apply Loving v. Virginia to SSM.... laughable.... That fact that you study Con Law also explains your lack of knowledge on the matter.
    Generally speaking....most people learn when they study something. Don't be afraid of education. Its not a bad thing.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Read the friggin case....its right there. The opinion walks you right through it. They begin by analyzing marriage and determine that the right to marry the person you love is one of the most fundamental rights we have as human beings. Then...in that context they analyze whether the government has a compelling interest in limiting that right to same-race couples only. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Its a very easy case to read.
    Except that they can limit that right if the person you love is too young, or you are too young, or if you are blood related, or if you are related through someone else's marriage...... So they can limit who can marry whom, based on numerous factors.

    Take the case of my sister in law. She wasn't allowed to marry a guy, who she never lived with, never knew, just because she found out later on that he was actually her half-brother that was given up for adoption.

    Your bolded statement is false. Marriage to "the person you love" is not a basic fundamental right.

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