View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    42 53.16%
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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes. Gay marriage will be used to exterminate the species. Very good.
    Your debate-tactic tendency to feign erroneous comprehension and a jump to conclusion as an M.O. of making a derision makes an intelligent discussion with you on a matter extremely difficult.

    If that's the best you can do then I'll leave you to it.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Your debate-tactic tendency to feign erroneous comprehension and a jump to conclusion as an M.O. of making a derision makes an intelligent discussion with you on a matter extremely difficult.

    If that's the best you can do then I'll leave you to it.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You really can't be serious. They are the party that has complete control on the terms of the contract and is the arbiter of all things contained in that contract. How is that not authority and control over marriage? You can't really cover any more angles of the contract, sorry.
    That is not the case. I can structure the contract almost any way I want. Only the courts are arbiters of that contract.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    You do realize that the government recognition of marriage is illegal, since the government is given boundaries by the constitution, which has nothing about marriage. Hopefully when DOMA goes to court the justices will rescind unconsitutional marriage laws.
    Precedence makes that moot. The document has a history, and going backwards is much harder than going forward. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Precedence makes that moot. The document has a history, and going backwards is much harder than going forward. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
    Slavery and discrimination against minorities had history in the country, that was changed by the civil rights act and the 14th. I realize that it is a long shot, thus explaining the use of the word "hopefully". But I can only hope that the SCOTUS will do it right and rule according to the constitution.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And as with Loving vs. Virginia, that can clearly be a good thing.
    Declaring marriage is a right has nothing at all to do with the government involvement in marriage. Why is this so hard for some people on the left to understand?

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Slavery and discrimination against minorities had history in the country, that was changed by the civil rights act and the 14th. I realize that it is a long shot, thus explaining the use of the word "hopefully". But I can only hope that the SCOTUS will do it right and rule according to the constitution.
    yes, they moved forward. Going back to slavery and past discrminations would be difficult.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's resulting in a person's right to marry the parter of their choice being recognized in all fifty states. It's absolutely evolution.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And as with Loving vs. Virginia, that can clearly be a good thing.
    Time for yet another reminder. Read up on the events and motives that made the 14th necessary. It was all about making post Civil War legislation constitutional. So the 14th applied perfectly to the issue at hand in Loving vs. Virginia.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Your debate-tactic tendency to feign erroneous comprehension and a jump to conclusion as an M.O. of making a derision makes an intelligent discussion with you on a matter extremely difficult.

    If that's the best you can do then I'll leave you to it.
    Your debate tactic in this thread is to conclude a worst case scenario that is in no way supported by past evidence. It's a sloppy method and I'm not sure what good you think can come of it.

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