View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Ok oh wise one, how is it that marriage has become a privilege protected under the Constitution of the U.S. of A?
    You really need to study some ConLaw.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I have to say that if DOMA is overturned this is going to be sort of a bizarre victory. Sure, gays can get married and that's great, but what do those who opposed gay marriage lose? Nothing. It's really anticlimactic, I tell you, so I propose that if gay marriage is recognized in all fifty states, all heterosexual marriages are rendered null and void immediately. Let's make this interesting: raise the stakes so that both parties have something concrete to lose.
    While we're at it, then, let's also overturn dog-owners' also legitimate exlusion from allowing cat-owners to enter their cats in the dog-owners' dog shows.

    Dog-owners have nothing "concrete to lose".

    They won't be pissed.



    I'm constantly amazed at how pre-conceived ideologues just can't bring themselves to admit the obvious reality about the intelligence, value, and legitimate grievance their opposition would most certainly suffer the loss of if the pre-conceived ideologues got their way.

    It's the height of arrogance for pre-conceived ideologues to completely dismiss the very real losses suffered by their opposition as nothing "concrete to lose".



    SS couples committed romantic relationships should be call homarriage, because, by virtue of them being SS couples, it simply isn't a marriage.

    Homarriage civil union domestic partnerships, like all types of these, will be fully recognized by the government and private enterprise.

    The OS and SS distinction, a valid and necessary distinction, would be in the name -- marriage v homarriage -- as each type of civil unioin domestic partnership needs a name to accurately identify it, both for accurate usage now and modifications later that may only apply to one of them.

    It's the right win-win thing to do.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....you are relying on Scalia? Sorry...but Scalia has been wrong more often than he has been right.
    Im sorry... are you a supreme court judge? Didn't think so.

    Loving v. Virginia, although an inter-racial marriage case recognized that the right to marry is a "Fundamental right". It then went on to say that since the right to marry is a "Fundamental right" the state must have a compelling interest in any prohbition imposed. It wasn't until this point that the court addressed the racial aspect of the case.

    It doesn't change the fact that the SCOTUS now has legal precedent to follow recognizing marriage as a fundamental right. The issue before the court is whether the government has an interest that justifies disparate treatment of same sex couples in that institution.
    When you can point out that "precedent" to me, we can talk.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Expanding the scope of government like people desire here is not evolution. Stop using the term.
    It's resulting in a person's right to marry the parter of their choice being recognized in all fifty states. It's absolutely evolution.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I'm clearly saying that your over-generalization lacks the specificity for it to be relevant.

    Your approach would validate puposeful global destruction and the extermination of our species and other similar ludicrous events based on "that's change!".

    Ridiculous.
    Yes. Gay marriage will be used to exterminate the species. Very good.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You really need to study some ConLaw.
    Says the one who is trying to apply Loving v. Virginia to SSM.... laughable.... That fact that you study Con Law also explains your lack of knowledge on the matter.
    Last edited by Lightning; 03-27-13 at 07:20 PM.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'd okay with both the federal, state and any government considering marriage a private matter just like you don't get a state issued Baptism, Confirmation or Bar Mitzvah license.
    Then go ahead and get married without the government. If you feel it should be personal, make it personal.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's resulting in a person's right to marry the parter of their choice being recognized in all fifty states. It's absolutely evolution.
    No, what is happening is the domain of government is expanding in the arena of marriage to include one more group. Government growth into our personal affairs is not evolution. It never was and it never will be.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, what is happening is the domain of government is expanding in the arena of marriage to include one more group.
    And as with Loving vs. Virginia, that can clearly be a good thing.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's resulting in a person's right to marry the parter of their choice being recognized in all fifty states. It's absolutely evolution.
    Biologically speaking, according to natural selection, gay marriage would not be worth a damn to the evolution of our species, besides the obvious extinction of people who want to cohabit with others of the same sex.
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