View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    42 53.16%
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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize your argument flies right in the face of what the country stands for right?
    Not at all. To say so, shows complete ignorance of the Supremacy clause.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    The ideal solution would be "civil unions for everyone" - with marriage (holy matrimony) left to churches, synagogues and mosques, where it belongs.

    But since nobody is promoting such solution, gay marriage it is.
    That prevents non religious people from marrying. So now you're just discriminating against the secular instead of gays. And besides, isn't this the sort of definition changing that so many are arguing against? When two people decide they want to marry, they're not deciding they want to civil unionize. They want to marry. But now they'll have to call it something else. That sounds like definition changing to me.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Explain CA "only" laws on auto emissions, minimum wage, marijuana use, illegal immigration sanctuary cities and gun ownership. It appears that you like many state differences, but simply not all of them.
    Those don't involve fundamental rights. The right to marry has been recognized as a "fundamental right". The Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution was designed to address these exact type of issues.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not at all. To say so, shows complete ignorance of the Supremacy clause.
    I'm sorry but the supremacy clause does not trump state rights. You might want to read the federalist papers some time. Both Madison and Hamilton pointed this out.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That prevents non religious people from marrying. So now you're just discriminating against the secular instead of gays.
    Honestly? If someone doesn't want to marry you do they not have the right to say no?

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sorry but the supremacy clause does not trump state rights. You might want to read the federalist papers some time. Both Madison and Hamilton pointed this out.
    You obviously do not understand Constitutional Law and the Supremacy clause. If you did, you wouldn't make such a ridiculous claim. Go read up a little.

    What do you think the Supremacy clause is? The Supremacy clause says that there are some rights that are FUNDAMENTAL to this Country and in those cases, the Federal Constitution trumps any state laws. How do you think the Civil rights cases of the 1950's -60's came about?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Those don't involve fundamental rights. The right to marry has been recognized as a "fundamental right". The Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution was designed to address these exact type of issues.
    "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is definitely a fundamental right. In what year did SSM become a fundamental right?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously do not understand Constitutional Law and the Supremacy clause. If you did, you wouldn't make such a ridiculous claim. Go read up a little.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is definitely a fundamental right. In what year did SSM become a fundamental right?
    And if California tried to outlaw guns....guess what.....the Supremacy clause would prohibit it. As for marriage being a fundamental right....see Loving v. Virginia. Supreme Court.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That prevents non religious people from marrying. So now you're just discriminating against the secular instead of gays.
    It does not prevent anyone from doing anything. It defines the parameters of government involvement. What does the State do here? It certifies a contract, basically - and arranges for a number of legal accomodations - from hospital visitation to bride visas. Whether it is called "marriage", "civil union", or "abracadabra" is immaterial.

    Now, there are plenty of people who think of "marriage" as somethng entirely different: a sacrament. Not a contract between two people, but a communion between two people and a deity. Let them think whatever they think, and let them have the word, for crying out loud! What's the damage?

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