View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you think as a country we should be giving benefits to certain groups of people that take part in certain activity? Besides, all the arguments you guys appear to have is based on weakness and trying to counterbalance the stupidity of collectively owning something with other people and it coming around to its perdictable ends. I think people should have to deal with their own situations and all the government should deal with is claims to property that can be changed at any point they desire if they go back to the government and desire a change once a decision is made.
    If that activity benefits society, then absolutely. Benefits exist in order to encourage beneficial actions. That's why people who own homes get to write off the interest in their taxes. It encourages people to buy homes. Marriages increase the tax base and encourage social stability, married people have had a traditionally higher incidence of home ownership, etc. It is better for society to encourage stable marriages, that's why they get benefits for legally entanglement.

    I'm surprised you didn't realize that's why it was done.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If that activity benefits society, then absolutely. Benefits exist in order to encourage beneficial actions. That's why people who own homes get to write off the interest in their taxes. It encourages people to buy homes. Marriages increase the tax base and encourage social stability, married people have had a traditionally higher incidence of home ownership, etc. It is better for society to encourage stable marriages, that's why they get benefits for legally entanglement.

    I'm surprised you didn't realize that's why it was done.
    I get plenty of excuses on just why it is done and the two popular ones are this one you have provided and the one Gina provided earlier and neither of them I accept in order to create or maintain a government authority. I honestly don't care if a certain activity benefits society. It makes no difference to me when talking about government authority. I don't care to provide tax breaks for people to stimulate economic growth and I don't feel the desire to support a government contract due to it making peoples lives easier. That is not the job of the government.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I get plenty of excuses on just why it is done and the two popular ones are this one you have provided and the one Gina provided earlier and neither of them I accept in order to create or maintain a government authority. I honestly don't care if a certain activity benefits society. It makes no difference to me when talking about government authority.
    However, many do, which is why your way loses a lot. Many see real benefits in promoting what helps all of us.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    However, many do, which is why your way loses a lot. Many see real benefits in promoting what helps all of us.
    I'm all for promoting the protection of rights and liberties which helps all of us, but I'm not in favor of just supporting something because it benefits society. There is no end to such logic and no amount of ability to tie it down. The government could do all sorts of things and it could bring a return to society, but that doesn't just make it fine for them to do.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm all for promoting the protection of rights and liberties which promotes all of us, but I'm not in favor of just supporting something because it benefits society. There is no end to such logic and no amount of ability to tie it down.
    Sure there is. Supporting marriage in no way infringes on your rights, but does promote stability for society. It's largely a win win.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure there is. Supporting marriage in no way infringes on your rights, but does promote stability for society. It's largely a win win.
    It's creates government authority outside of where it should be. Some of us practice restraint when it comes to government authority and some of us are serious about it.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's creates government authority outside of where it should be. Some of us practice restraint when it comes to government authority and some of us are serious about it.
    There's no authority. They merely recognize or don't. They don't dictate who you marry, who has to provide the services, or anything like that. There is next to no interference.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Keeping your standard in mind, explain to me how separate drinking fountains, or a separate place on the bus are unconstitutional, but separate types of marriage aren't.
    What about separate locker rooms, separate bathrooms, by gender? Separate job standards, separate sports, again, by gender.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure there is. Supporting marriage in no way infringes on your rights, but does promote stability for society. It's largely a win win.
    If we are doing so much win-win then why do we need a federal gov't that must borrow over $3 billion per day in order to do so? I agree that SSM will not destroy the country, yet it will not save it either. So far, 8 states and DC, have allowed some form of SSM but that does not create a nationwide right or mean that the other states now have less rights to govern themselves, as they see fit. Just what does handing out gov't cash to single parent "families" do to promote stability? How has increasing the out of wedlock childbirth rate, aided by direct gov't subsidiy, helped to create a stable society?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Than why in the hell is everyone making it an issue for the federal government to decide on?????

    I agree equality and fairness is important, but why should the Constitution and freedom be trampled over in order to provide someone else with a tax break or a legal status. The 14th was written to provide all citizens with equal civil and political rights. Marriage is not a right! I still have yet to hear a real rational argument that explains to me how marriage is a constitutional right.
    Probably Article 4 of the Constitution, which deals with states recognizing public records of other states being valid in theirs. Also the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, which seems to give the US Supreme Court jurisdiction into state matters when denial of equality under the law is in question. I think the Supreme Court is deciding what constitutes inequality, after all homosexuals can legally marry right now just like anybody else, as long as the person is the opposite sex. Based on some of the question asked by some of the justices, it looks like they're also considering the social impact of normalizing homosexuality in the culture.
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