View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    42 53.16%
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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    It is in fact extremely different Boo Radley. We're talking about racism vs. sexual taste/preference.
    No, we're talking about being discriminated based on differences. Whether that difference is skin color or sexual orientation makes little difference.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Should YOUR marriage be thrown back to the states "where it belongs" NP? Or are you OK with the SCOTUS changing the definition of marriage when it fits you beliefs?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, we're talking about being discriminated based on differences. Whether that difference is skin color or sexual orientation makes little difference.
    Boo Radley, you and I more than likely share the same opinion on this. I am not arguing against gay marriage, I'm arguing for the respect of the constitution and of its fulfillment.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The US Supreme Court is presently considering a ruling that could lift opposite gender requirements for marriage in the US. Most people have firm opinions on this matter but I'm curious could our positions on the subject leave room for a compromise all could accept. If your perspective on same sex marriage is not constitutionally validated, could you accept government not recognizing any marriage as a compromise, assuming of course this wouldn't necessarily be your preferred option?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Boo Radley, you and I more than likely share the same opinion on this. I am not arguing against gay marriage, I'm arguing for the respect of the constitution and of its fulfillment.
    I argue the same thing. The Constitution is opposed to such discrimination. This isn't equal to discriminating against law breakers, or anything proper discrimination would cover. This is unjust discrimination, and that is what links the two you were discussing.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I argue the same thing. The Constitution is opposed to such discrimination. This isn't equal to discriminating against law breakers, or anything proper discrimination would cover. This is unjust discrimination, and that is what links the two you were discussing.
    So the 10th amendment is chucked out the window because of your belief that the 14th somehow gives the federal government the right to regulate and dictate marriage?
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    So the 10th amendment is chucked out the window because of your belief that the 14th somehow gives the federal government the right to regulate and dictate marriage?
    And the 14th is chucked out because of the 10th? This is why we have courts. But by the nature of the dispute here, I do believe it is more important that we have equality, fairness. If two people of the same sex marry, no one else is effected in any real way. Marriage is a personal decision. As has been said many times by many people, if you oppose same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And the 14th is chucked out because of the 10th? This is why we have courts. But by the nature of the dispute here, I do believe it is more important that we have equality, fairness. If two people of the same sex marry, no one else is effected in any real way. ..

    Marriage is a personal decision.

    ... As has been said many times by many people, if you oppose same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex.
    Than why in the hell is everyone making it an issue for the federal government to decide on?????

    I agree equality and fairness is important, but why should the Constitution and freedom be trampled over in order to provide someone else with a tax break or a legal status. The 14th was written to provide all citizens with equal civil and political rights. Marriage is not a right! I still have yet to hear a real rational argument that explains to me how marriage is a constitutional right.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Than why in the hell is everyone making it an issue for the federal government to decide on?????

    I agree equality and fairness is important, but why should the Constitution and freedom be trampled over in order to provide someone else with a tax break or a legal status. The 14th was written to provide all citizens with equal civil and political rights. Marriage is not a right! I still have yet to hear a real rational argument that explains to me how marriage is a constitutional right.
    Because the government recognizes marriage, much like it does other things. Benefits are connected to it. But they do not govern the who with no justification required.

    You're looking at it wrong. It is not that marriage is a constitutional right. Equality is.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a difference between simply claiming something is right and demonstrating it is actually so. Let me know when you're able to do the latter.
    Do you think as a country we should be giving benefits to certain groups of people that take part in certain activity? Besides, all the arguments you guys appear to have is based on weakness and trying to counterbalance the stupidity of collectively owning something with other people and it coming around to its perdictable ends. I think people should have to deal with their own situations and all the government should deal with is claims to property that can be changed at any point they desire if they go back to the government and desire a change once a decision is made.

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