View Poll Results: Could you accept no government recognized marriages as a compromise?

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  • I oppose SSM but could accept no government recognized marriage as a compromise.

    6 7.59%
  • I support SSM but could accept no government reconized marriage as a compromise

    24 30.38%
  • I oppose SSM It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

    7 8.86%
  • I support SSM. It's a function of government to recognize legitimate marriages. No compromise.

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Thread: Same sex marriage compromise

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    You just proved my point.....if the mob, in this case the LGBT community wants things to be a certain way, than the rights of over 4/5 of the country's state which currently do not support the LEGALIZATION of gay marriage will be chucked out the window just because you do not want it to be that way. "To hell with the Constitution" is all I see coming from your posts.
    What right is violated of yours by legal gay marriage?

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Well than go debate in communist China or N. Korea. I'm sure they'll share your views about how "western law" is flawed and idiotic.
    Yes, always a great argument when your resort to "go to communist China or N. Korea.

    However, same-sex marriage isn't very popular in China or North Korea, so.......

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    2 questions:

    1. )What does SSM have to do with eroding freedoms?

    2.)Since I apparently don't understand the rule of law, how should SSM be "done the right way"?

    1.) The codification of a law about marriage (eg. DOMA, and whatever SSM law comes out of this if it does) gives the government further overreach in an area that is CLEARLY unconstitutional since it has no legal basis, and it undermines the 10th amendment.

    2.)Well, marriage should not be an issue to begin with. It is infuriating to realize that I'm sitting here debating about the LEGALITY OF MARRIAGE?? (utterly ridonkulous). But seeing as how the elimination of government in marriage is highly unlikely because government naturally likes to hold onto power, it should be left up to the residents of each state to decide how they want things done, just like the 10th amendment says it should be.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So, when did this "origin of marriage in humanity throughout the globe" originate?

    The Greeks had homosexual relations.

    If you want to go into the Bible, we can definitely talk about what the Bible has said about marriage.
    Marriage began a long time ago, tracing its roots to before the agrarian revolution during which it really spread everywhere on the globe, long before religion, long before the Greeks.

    From then, through now, "marriage" was created specifically being only between a man and a woman as husband and wife, and for understandable reasons.

    The Greeks, what they allegedly did and likely didn't do, are irrelevant.

    The Bible, with regard to what marriage was before and after the Biblical writers, is also irrelevant.

    You continue to bring up irrelevancies, likely as subterfuge, to obfuscate by focusing on these irrelvancies, for the purpose of supporting your pre-conceived ideology's mindset on SS committed romantic relationships.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Yes, always a great argument when your resort to "go to communist China or N. Korea.

    However, same-sex marriage isn't very popular in China or North Korea, so.......
    BAD ZSTEP18 bad! You're sticking your nose into a conversation that you it seems did not fully understand, especially, since bonzai started pouting and started to become angry after I repeatedly pointed out the flaws in his arguments.

    And the whole point of that statement was in reference to his distaste of western law, which again shows how much you missed the point of our(bonzai and I) conversation.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Well than go debate in communist China or N. Korea. I'm sure they'll share your views about how "western law" is flawed and idiotic.
    Or maybe you're just willing to accept achieving a C- level of human existence............................

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    1.) The codification of a law about marriage (eg. DOMA, and whatever SSM law comes out of this if it does) gives the government further overreach in an area that is CLEARLY unconstitutional since it has no legal basis, and it undermines the 10th amendment.

    2.)Well, marriage should not be an issue to begin with. It is infuriating to realize that I'm sitting here debating about the LEGALITY OF MARRIAGE?? (utterly ridonkulous). But seeing as how the elimination of government in marriage is highly unlikely because government naturally likes to hold onto power, it should be left up to the residents of each state to decide how they want things done, just like the 10th amendment says it should be.
    Denying same-marriage is prohibited under the 14th Amendment, and therefore, does not fall under the 10th Amendment.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Or maybe you're just willing to accept achieving a C- level of human existence............................
    The same is to be said of you... in fact most of the world would probably disagree with your distaste of western law. Just goes to show who really is right... I mean unless you're calling over half of the inhabitants on this planet complete idiots who got everything wrong. Western principles have shortfalls, but they're leagues and light years away from anything else this world has been able to muster.
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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No compromise. Firstly, the State has an interest in fostering a stable family life and stable relationships. Second of all, if the institution of marriage was fine for government intervention for this long, it should retain its existence with inclusion of homosexuals. There's no danger to it with their inclusion. Third, doing the second will send a signal to homosexuals everywhere that given the option between including them into the fold, not doing so, or endorsing a scorched earth policy, the United States was more willing to deny the existence of marriage than have homosexuals in their midst.

    Edit: It's also telling that those who oppose same sex marriage are the ones who are most in favor of not having marriage for anyone. It's the reckless policy choice answered in that cliche screenplay script from a madman: "If I can't have it, NO ONE CAN!"
    I couldn't have said it as well.

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    Re: Same sex marriage compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Denying same-marriage is prohibited under the 14th Amendment, and therefore, does not fall under the 10th Amendment.
    Master zstep18 says "Denying same-marriage is prohibited under the 14th Amendment, and therefore, does not fall under the 10th Amendment.... and its that way because I say so!!!"..... all while offering no valid reasoning behind his statements.
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