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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy!

    So, we have "freedom of speech" but can we use it? What do you think?

    Wow. Such a simple question. Should be easy to answer shouldn't it. Oh, but what exactly is 'Fredom of Speach'? And what is 'Political Correctness'?
    Hum. Here is an example: If I know that a coworker who I report to has cheated the company with a false time card, and I don't use my freedom of speach was it 'Political Correctness' that kept me from telling anyone?

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    PC is more about feel good language. Not using words that would make someone else feel bad. Although PC has frequently been used to suppress the voicing of ones political views. So in that way, yes PC does sometimes suppress free speech.

    But I am an old foggie who doesn’t give PC a second thought. I would rather someone come to me, call me a few names and tell me he hates my gut, at least I know where I stand with him. That is a lot better than having him come up to me smiling and say some nice things he doesn’t mean, then do the back stabbing thing behind my back. But I suppose way too many people have very thin skins today. Hiding true feelings behind PC sometimes can cause those feeling to build up and have an eruption occur. Whereas getting things out in the open sort of acts like a safety valve.

    So I will smile and tell you what you want to hear and then do my dirty work behind you backs. I can be really good at PC’ing.
    Good morning, Pero.

    Sorry, I would never believe that of you in a million years! If there is one person on this site, you are it when it comes to telling it like it is...and you do it in such a nice way, too!

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    How bout if they just dont like you? Would you still hold the employer responsible?
    Not at all. But just try to fire a "protected" person for the reason that you just simply do not like them. That is also part of PC, defining folks that are allowed to be morons yet may not be fired or denied promotions.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, Pero.

    Sorry, I would never believe that of you in a million years! If there is one person on this site, you are it when it comes to telling it like it is...and you do it in such a nice way, too!

    I'm feeling a little jealous ...

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Political correctness is self-imposted -- obviously so.

    Anybody who would view it as any sort of infringement upon free speech is too entirely ignorant of the concept to be credible. THe notion of free speech is predicated upon the relationship between the government and the individual, and not between different individuals.
    Heh. Or even the same individual, as we see here from time to time. Nevertheless, I consider delivering a good cussing a creative and cathartic enterprise from time to time. When such a cussing is required, PC is not an element considered, and would significantly detract from a good cussing's overall quality and effectiveness. Don't ever impose restrictions on one's self when a good cussing opportunity avails itself.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Once you're charged with a crime, they can and will use anything against you. If I wrote in an e-mail that I was going to kill a specific person, and I ended up arrested for that person's murder, they'd use that e-mail as evidence in a trial. Does that mean I have no Freedom of speech?

    If you don't commit a crime, you don't have to worry about "hate crimes."
    At the extreme you're absolutely correct. At the average person level it can take something which you'd never get arrested for and turn it into an arrestable offense. THAT'S my problem with it. You get into an arguement ans shoving match with someone on the street and suddenly, because you happened to make an unpleasant, politically incorrec comment at some point in the past you're getting arrested for a hate crime. It's nuts.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Show me where political correctness has been codified by Congress in law.

    It seems that some folks don't actually understand their own rights or how political correctness is essentially the exercise of that same right.

    Iif one person says that all black people are lazy, there is no law preventing them from doing so, and if 30 million people reply that the person who said this is a douchebag, there is no law preventing this.

    It seems to me that the people who don't like political correctness want to ban the freedom to respond to douchebaggery.

    It is a fact that a great number of people do not say everything they believe in all company for reasons of self-preservation. A racist person with a job is not likely to call their ethnic co-workers or bosses by ethnic slurs to their face or in public, but they are free to do so. And of course their employer is free to tell them to go find another job. Don't confuse not saying what one might like to say but doesn't for fear of negative consequences with a prohibition on people saying any stupid thing that comes into their heads.

    What is truly ironic is that the people who claim foul about political correctness are likely the be the first people who would argue that it should be okay to imprison or exile a person who exercises their free speech right to argue for a communist political system in America (and in fact have in the past have passed laws to make that particular form of speech a crime).

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, Pero.

    Sorry, I would never believe that of you in a million years! If there is one person on this site, you are it when it comes to telling it like it is...and you do it in such a nice way, too!
    Thanks for the compliment, I guess that comes from my Buddhist training.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy!

    So, we have "freedom of speech" but can we use it? What do you think?

    Unless it's codified into law, then no, it doesn't violate anything.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    normally I don't pay too much attention to the topic, but this is an interesting one ... calling some speech PC is a way to denigrate the idea behind it, and that is to be more aware of of the things you say because words harm, sometimes deeply, and sometimes help to perpetuate stereotypes, for example ... for the most part, it doesn't suppress free speech because for the most part no one can stop us from being insensitive or even hateful ... BUT, I guess one can say that it "violates" or at least regulates free speech when you can get fired for something you say ... this is truly a tough one ... should a man at work be able to say to female co-workers, "Hey baby! You look hot today! Mmmmmmmmmmm." On the other hand, is it going too far to prohibit a man from saying to a female co-worker, "You look nice today," which is discouraged in most work places ...

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