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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Yes and no. I haven't read the posts yet so this may be a repeat. I vote yes and no. Yes when orders from the top (president and top advisers) tell the other members, etc. not to use certain words it is a violation. I can't remember the specifics but I remember something about when a new president took over, probably during Clinton, there were new orders not to use certain terms or wording.

    Otherwise, no it just dishonesty.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy!

    So, we have "freedom of speech" but can we use it? What do you think?

    If the government is regulating it and punished individuals from deviating from PC, then yes.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    And they are certainly welcome to believe that. But until it is actually changed, it doesn't matter what they think.
    No. It just means that like many other things, some of us are going to ignore it, regardless.

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    Which federal laws do this? I'm not asking a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.
    You can start with the EEOC. The idea that I would have to interview and/or accept applications from people who I wouldn't hire if they were the only candidate.

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    There is NOTHING which prevents any person from speaking the truth. Speak the truth all you want (as long as you don't infringe upon another's rights). But just as you get to say what you want, I am equally allowed to say what I want about what you said.
    The problem is that there is nothing preventing people from speaking UnTruth either.

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    To borrow a quote from the movie The American President: "America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."
    Which is part of why I have very little use for America and/or its system of Government at this point in history.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If it's legally required, which it isn't.

    You're allowed to call people every name in the book if you want to, and everyone else is allowed to think you're an asshole for doing it.
    Except that it IS legally required. We have "Hate Crimes" legislation on the books which makes it MORE of a crime to do something to someone you don't like than just some random individual on the street. If that's not legally enforced thought policiing, I'm not sure what is.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Well, "freedom of speech" is a right, right? So, the question is "Can we use our right of free speech" or PC violates that?
    PC is more about feel good language. Not using words that would make someone else feel bad. Although PC has frequently been used to suppress the voicing of ones political views. So in that way, yes PC does sometimes suppress free speech.

    But I am an old foggie who doesn’t give PC a second thought. I would rather someone come to me, call me a few names and tell me he hates my gut, at least I know where I stand with him. That is a lot better than having him come up to me smiling and say some nice things he doesn’t mean, then do the back stabbing thing behind my back. But I suppose way too many people have very thin skins today. Hiding true feelings behind PC sometimes can cause those feeling to build up and have an eruption occur. Whereas getting things out in the open sort of acts like a safety valve.

    So I will smile and tell you what you want to hear and then do my dirty work behind you backs. I can be really good at PC’ing.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Political correctness is incredibly stupid, but it's not law so it doesn't infringe upon free speech.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the government is regulating it and punished individuals from deviating from PC, then yes.
    That is not quite correct. If the gov't allows others (e.g. employers or coworkers) to punish you, without recourse, then you are still being punished for expressing non-PC thoughts. If your right to speak freely causes you to lose your job or opportunity to participate in public discussions then you are still being punished, just by being denied any "due process" for recourse. Just because there are no criminal penalties does not mean that there not civil consequences.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    How bout if they just dont like you? Would you still hold the employer responsible?
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is not quite correct. If the gov't allows others (e.g. employers or coworkers) to punish you, without recourse, then you are still being punished for expressing non-PC thoughts. If your right to speak freely causes you to lose your job or opportunity to participate in public discussions then you are still being punished, just by being denied any "due process" for recourse. Just because there are no criminal penalties does not mean that there not civil consequences.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Political correctness is self-imposted -- obviously so.

    Anybody who would view it as any sort of infringement upon free speech is too entirely ignorant of the concept to be credible. THe notion of free speech is predicated upon the relationship between the government and the individual, and not between different individuals.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Except that it IS legally required. We have "Hate Crimes" legislation on the books which makes it MORE of a crime to do something to someone you don't like than just some random individual on the street. If that's not legally enforced thought policiing, I'm not sure what is.
    Once you're charged with a crime, they can and will use anything against you. If I wrote in an e-mail that I was going to kill a specific person, and I ended up arrested for that person's murder, they'd use that e-mail as evidence in a trial. Does that mean I have no Freedom of speech?

    If you don't commit a crime, you don't have to worry about "hate crimes."


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