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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Freedom is an official ideology, not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is just one part of overall freedom. Please explain your question. What do you mean by "can we use it?" Your question is just so vague.
    Well, "freedom of speech" is a right, right? So, the question is "Can we use our right of free speech" or PC violates that?

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    In the discussion of speech, no it is not. You're free to say gays should go back in the closet (as someone else did). I'm free to say a person like you should not be hired to any job which requires interaction with people. Your opinion is yours and my opinion is mine. In the context of free speech, there is no difference.

    Are the outcomes different? Sometimes, yes, but that is not the fault of the person who is demanding, it is the fault of the person who complies.



    First of all, what does that have to do with what I said? Second of all, so? The 1st Amendment is not going anywhere, so as long as the government does not start jailing people for thinking gays should go back into the closet, so what?


    Starbucks is not part of the government. The CEO says they do not want someone's business. What's the problem? If you support traditional marriage, then don't spend your money at Starbucks. Starbucks disapproves of what you say and you disapprove of what Starbucks says by not going there. It's the same thing which happened to Chick-Fil-A.
    We are not talking about just government, we are talking about political correctness in general. And yes, it is the same that happened with Chick-Fil-A. Now I want to see the same outrage by the MSM as we did when Chick-Fil-A owner said what he said. I doubt very much we will see it though, thus political correctness. If it doesn't fit into the lefts narrative it is not presented by most MSM outlets.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    I was all for Cathy until it became obvious CFA and Fox were using a religious belief to advertise a buisness and start another Fauxrage. That is not political correctness, it is just wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
    We are not talking about just government, we are talking about political correctness in general. And yes, it is the same that happened with Chick-Fil-A. Now I want to see the same outrage by the MSM as we did when Chick-Fil-A owner said what he said. I doubt very much we will see it though, thus political correctness. If it doesn't fit into the lefts narrative it is not presented by most MSM outlets.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then you'd go to jail. there is no way i would let anyone treat my employees that way. i'd get fired if i had to, but you'd be ejected from the bank.
    I don't know. I'd be very interested to see how a court dealt with a situation where a financial institution refused to give a customer their money and then had the customer extract it by force. I was as polite as I could possibly be. If the individual hadn't repeatedly asked why I was closing the accounts (which is a personal matter, and none of his business), or accepted the "personal reasons" response I gave the first two times, it wouldn't have gotten to that. He chose to continue to pry. As a good friend of mine says regularly.... "Don't ask questions you're not sure you really want the answer to."

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    First of all, what does that have to do with what I said? Second of all, so? The 1st Amendment is not going anywhere, so as long as the government does not start jailing people for thinking gays should go back into the closet, so what?
    What is has to do with what you said is that not everyone believes that the First Amendment should exist in the form that it does. It's not just about the Government's response; though I would be interested in finding out where it is you believe that the Government has the right to tell me I can't open a restaurant that caters ONLY to a certain group of people and ONLY hires certain groups of people. It's mostly about the ability of the citizenry to adversely affect the lifestyle of an individual for speaking the Truth rather than what people want to hear.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
    We are not talking about just government, we are talking about political correctness in general.
    But the 1st Amendment which protects free speech IS talking about just the government, specifically Congress.

    And yes, it is the same that happened with Chick-Fil-A. Now I want to see the same outrage by the MSM as we did when Chick-Fil-A owner said what he said.
    Yes...how awful that the MSM hasn't picked up on a CEO who supports equality...

    I'm sorry, did you really just say supporting equality is a bad thing? Of course, I could also point out the difference in what the two CEO's said, one of which said he thought people should be denied equal rights and the other simply said we don't want your business, but I'm sure you're probably not interested in that.

    I doubt very much we will see it though, thus political correctness.
    If supporting equality is "political correctness", then sign me up.

    If it doesn't fit into the lefts narrative it is not presented by most MSM outlets.
    Again, I refer you back to the difference between what the two people said.

    And for what it's worth, I have absolutely no problem with what Dan Cathy said. I still eat Chick-Fil-A. As long as Dan Cathy and Chick-Fil-A do not discriminate against homosexuals in their business, I have no problem with them. But there is a huge difference in what the two people said. One said they do not support equality. The other said they do not want the business of those who do not support equality. Big difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    What is has to do with what you said is that not everyone believes that the First Amendment should exist in the form that it does.
    And they are certainly welcome to believe that. But until it is actually changed, it doesn't matter what they think.

    It's not just about the Government's response; though I would be interested in finding out where it is you believe that the Government has the right to tell me I can't open a restaurant that caters ONLY to a certain group of people and ONLY hires certain groups of people.
    Which federal laws do this? I'm not asking a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.

    It's mostly about the ability of the citizenry to adversely affect the lifestyle of an individual for speaking the Truth rather than what people want to hear.
    There is NOTHING which prevents any person from speaking the truth. Speak the truth all you want (as long as you don't infringe upon another's rights). But just as you get to say what you want, I am equally allowed to say what I want about what you said.

    To borrow a quote from the movie The American President: "America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Political Correctness does not violate free speech. Just as you are free to express your racist/sexist/otherwise offensive statements, I and others are free to express our disdain for such ridiculous comments. Your free speech does not get to trump mine, and mine does not trump yours. Having free speech does not protect you from all the consequences of that speech, it only protects you (in most cases) from governmental punishment of that speech.

    You forgot one:

    - insensitive white guys need to shut up about everyone else they think is whining
    You're right, I'm insensitive, particularly when whining isn't backed up worth a crap and people just try to play the victim card.

    Blacks make the excuse that the grade schools they go to are poorer as to why they have the worst grades. I know that's BS, because I went to grade school in Baltimore. Furthermore, Asians have better grades than whites and sure as heck don't go to better schools than the whites. Even a glance at culture and it's clear that it's based on how likely a family is to emphasize education to their kids. I seriously hope Dr. Ben Carson gets more involved in politics, as he has hinted at, to get this message across to the black community. Obama's sorry *** does crap like talking to New Orleans in a tone as if they're victims of hatred that must rebel.

    My disdain for feminists is not based on sexism. It's their sorry *** logic of expecting women to be treated like men if and only if it benefits them. They want the women given access to the front line military positions for promotion purposes, yet don't expect women to have to register for selective service. Heck, women don't even have the same physical standards for the same position in the military. Either abstract from gender on the resume or don't, but be consistent for crying out loud.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Political Correctness is the verbal version of Affirmative Action; both of which are unConstitutional by nature.
    If it's legally required, which it isn't.

    You're allowed to call people every name in the book if you want to, and everyone else is allowed to think you're an asshole for doing it.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Well, "freedom of speech" is a right, right? So, the question is "Can we use our right of free speech" or PC violates that?
    Okay, much more clear now. Thanks.

    I don't think that is a problem here in the United States. We DO have the Westboro Baptists afterall.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I was all for Cathy until it became obvious CFA and Fox were using a religious belief to advertise a buisness and start another Fauxrage. That is not political correctness, it is just wrong.
    All that free advertising on Fox was great business for Chik-fil-A. It's funny how the same people who say "don't believe the MSM" are more than happy to go along with the next Fox outrage.


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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You're right, I'm insensitive, particularly when whining isn't backed up worth a crap and people just try to play the victim card.
    You mean like the premise of this whole thread? "I'm a victim of the Left!"


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
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