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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There are worse things in life than being thrown in jail, Helix. The loss of a job, the loss of social standing in a community, etc... can often have much more extensive reprecussions than any jail time. As we say in the medieval group I'm part of.... "Laws can often by broken without any consequence, but a beloved tradition, if ignored, most often brings about swift and long lasting retribution upon one's head." That's my bigger problem with both Political Correctness in speech and Affirmative Action. At least in terms of the legal system, you get a trial. When it comes to the court of public opinion, sentences are generally handed out before the trial even begins.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Technically, it would take government intervention to ban or punish speech for there to be a freedom of speech infringement, not simply social pressure. Polilitical correctness DOES however violate the spirit of free speech and open dialog. I use to think Americans were sophisticated enough to tolerate any open dialog and then also have the maturity the talk our our differences. I was wrong.

    Once we have political correctness on the social level, there's a slippery slope to that being enforced with punity in corporate America as well as government. It's actually normal at this point for people who have 'public' vocations to be expected to lose their jobs if they ever violate the rules of political correctness. This applies to speech made on the job as well as shockingly speech made that had nothing to do with their job. And don't blame this on liberism; conservatives are just as guilty. The only difference is what they consider politically correct. Shirley Sherrod, David Letterman and Rahm Emanuel were all targeted by CONSERVATIVES to lose thir jobs over speech.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Political correctness aside:
    - blacks need to shut up about slavery and racism
    - gays need to get back in the closet
    - feminists need to shut up and let the females be "ladies"
    - illegals need to get tossed out and suspended 5 years from applying for entry
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Technically, it would take government intervention to ban or punish speech for there to be a freedom of speech infringement, not simply social pressure. Polilitical correctness DOES however violate the spirit of free speech and open dialog. I use to think Americans were sophisticated enough to tolerate any open dialog and then also have the maturity the talk our our differences. I was wrong.

    Once we have political correctness on the social level, there's a slippery slope to that being enforced with punity in corporate America as well as government. It's actually normal at this point for people who have 'public' vocations to be expected to lose their jobs if they ever violate the rules of political correctness. This applies to speech made on the job as well as shockingly speech made that had nothing to do with their job. And don't blame this on liberism; conservatives are just as guilty. The only difference is what they consider politically correct. Shirley Sherrod, David Letterman and Rahm Emanuel were all targeted by CONSERVATIVES to lose thir jobs over speech.
    It does not take a government to ban speech, they do it all the time in institutes of higher learning, i.e. universities and colleges. How many times have we read that a small group of malcontents shut down a speaker at a university or college campus because they fear, "hate speech?" It happens all the time, many in fact have speech codes in which you must follow and if you don't off to sensitivity training you go, or are expelled. High schools are doing much the same. Heaven forbid you have a different philosophy than those in charge.

    And although you say conservatives are just as guilty, I would say, no you are mistaken. When conservative point to someone who should lose their job over an issue they are just maintaining the same standards at which liberals hold conservatives. With the exception of Shirley Sherrod no one got fired, (Shirley resigned, but should not have had to). But, look at what happens to conservatives. Rush Limbaugh got fired from ESPN. Don Imus got fired from his show, and Ann Coulter got booted from one of her jobs as well because of political correctness.

    Political correctness rears its ugly head on a daily basis and in every facet of life, and no government needed to pass any laws.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    about slavery...maybe, but do you think we have attained a truly post racist society? I really dont. I dont think gays should have to live their live secretely and dishonestly. Ladies should be able to deicide how they are, and we created the illegal immigrant mess, tossing them after allowing them to create a life here and stay for years and years is not exactly a civilized answer to a group that have contributed so much to our society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Political correctness aside:
    - blacks need to shut up about slavery and racism
    - gays need to get back in the closet
    - feminists need to shut up and let the females be "ladies"
    - illegals need to get tossed out and suspended 5 years from applying for entry
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    How bout some examples? I teach in a couple of colleges, I am not aware of any opinion I am not allowed to have. I have never heard of a co worked being sent to sensitivity training. A small group of malcontents? Remember those town hall meetings? In the second paragragh that sounds a lot like the They do it too defense often heard in 3rd grade. Rush Limbaugh hurt their ratings, I beleive that was a buisness decision. Imus was so far out of line I can't even think of a defense for his statement. Ann Coulter is offensive to anyone not of the far far right, again a buisness decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
    It does not take a government to ban speech, they do it all the time in institutes of higher learning, i.e. universities and colleges. How many times have we read that a small group of malcontents shut down a speaker at a university or college campus because they fear, "hate speech?" It happens all the time, many in fact have speech codes in which you must follow and if you don't off to sensitivity training you go, or are expelled. High schools are doing much the same. Heaven forbid you have a different philosophy than those in charge.

    And although you say conservatives are just as guilty, I would say, no you are mistaken. When conservative point to someone who should lose their job over an issue they are just maintaining the same standards at which liberals hold conservatives. With the exception of Shirley Sherrod no one got fired, (Shirley resigned, but should not have had to). But, look at what happens to conservatives. Rush Limbaugh got fired from ESPN. Don Imus got fired from his show, and Ann Coulter got booted from one of her jobs as well because of political correctness.

    Political correctness rears its ugly head on a daily basis and in every facet of life, and no government needed to pass any laws.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Last time I checked, Political Correctness was a tool used by the left to shut down discussion of uncomfortable truths, in plain, clear language. The left prefers code rather than honest language. "Reproductive rights" is used for "abortion" - "progressive" is used for "liberal" - "revenue enhancements" is used for "tax".

    Freedom of speech is alive and well and subject to the strength of character of the speaker. If you're easily shouted down, you're easily shut out.
    Liberal was at one point the cover up word for progressive. Talk about coming around full circle.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I thought you were an authoritarian. just consider your job an authoritarian regime.
    I'm not as upset with the idea of losing the job as I am the social issues that go with being accused of political incorrectness or failing to live up to the ideals of affirmative action. Obviously a private employer has the right to do whatever they want. However, I do not feel that there is a need for a bank manager to insult me and be extremely rude to me, in quite a loud voice when I inform him (quite politely) that I'm moving my accounts out of his bank because there are no male tellers left in any of their branches. I didn't offer the information as to why until he asked the third third (trying to be polite). Then he goes off on me about it. That was entirely unnecessary and quite rude.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Don't know about the US, but my impression about Germany is that "political correctness" is a discoursive weapon term used by far-right chauvinists to counter the justified moral outrage triggered by their chauvinistic statements.

    If you want to say something racist i.e., you'll usually earn emotional disagreement from the majority, so you better say it's "political correctness" that somehow delegitimizes this disagreement. It's almost as good as godwining the debate.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Don't know about the US, but my impression about Germany is that "political correctness" is a discoursive weapon term used by far-right chauvinists to counter the justified moral outrage triggered by their chauvinistic statements.

    If you want to say something racist i.e., you'll usually earn emotional disagreement from the majority, so you better say it's "political correctness" that somehow delegitimizes this disagreement. It's almost as good as godwining the debate.
    Do you have a article to prove your statment

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