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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There are worse things in life than being thrown in jail, Helix. The loss of a job, the loss of social standing in a community, etc... can often have much more extensive reprecussions than any jail time. As we say in the medieval group I'm part of.... "Laws can often by broken without any consequence, but a beloved tradition, if ignored, most often brings about swift and long lasting retribution upon one's head." That's my bigger problem with both Political Correctness in speech and Affirmative Action. At least in terms of the legal system, you get a trial. When it comes to the court of public opinion, sentences are generally handed out before the trial even begins.
    It isn't a violation of the Constitution, though, because Congress hasn't made any laws against "political incorrectness". The Constitution is purely a legal document, not a social one.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since many people here seem vastly confused as to what "free speech" is(hint: the constitutional protection to free speech is protection from the government), let me ask a simple question: what laws have been enacted where political correctness trumps free speech?
    I don't know any but PC has become somewhat mainstream, imho. May be it's a cultural norm rather than a legislative one.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Wow. Such a simple question. Should be easy to answer shouldn't it. Oh, but what exactly is 'Fredom of Speach'? And what is 'Political Correctness'?
    Hum. Here is an example: If I know that a coworker who I report to has cheated the company with a false time card, and I don't use my freedom of speach was it 'Political Correctness' that kept me from telling anyone?
    Hardly.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    It does violate freedom of speech under certain circumstances; for example, when the administration of a publicly funded college imposes speech codes on the campus. Most often, it's just the left-wing version of obnoxious preachy righteousness.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Hm, I just wonder if it needs to be called "political correctness" in that case. Maybe it's just a "false assumption common in the mainstream".

    The term "political correctness" is usually used by right-leaning people against a left mainstream, but I think such false assumptions as well occur on the right side of the spectrum and are challenged by left-leaning people.
    The right has it's sacred hobby horses, as well. Like supporting the troops, patriotism, gun rights, etc. Political correctness usually involves social topics and perceived protected classes, like homosexuality, religious and racial minorities.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps to you, but PC has developed way beyond just not calling someone the n word or a b. What you are talking about is what my parents called manners. It is not PC in the sense of what it has become.
    I don't know that PC has become that at all. I agree PC is/should be interchangeable with manners, but I don't know if the so-called "PC crowd" get riled up simply for one person telling another they do not like them. Generally I find the PC crowd gets riled up when they feel a certain group has been targeted with words or actions. Sometimes political correctness is carried to extremes (as anything can be...for example, I think it's ridiculous to be offended at being called black instead of African American, especially since most black people have never been to Africa), but overall, whether you agree on whether someone is oversensitive, I think the vast majority of the time it will be in response to a group comment or action, not an individual.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't know that PC has become that at all. I agree PC is/should be interchangeable with manners, but I don't know if the so-called "PC crowd" get riled up simply for one person telling another they do not like them. Generally I find the PC crowd gets riled up when they feel a certain group has been targeted with words or actions. Sometimes political correctness is carried to extremes (as anything can be...for example, I think it's ridiculous to be offended at being called black instead of African American, especially since most black people have never been to Africa), but overall, whether you agree on whether someone is oversensitive, I think the vast majority of the time it will be in response to a group comment or action, not an individual.
    Perhaps, but I have seen the other side more times that I care to. I'll stick with my old fashion manners and let the PC stuff to the younger generations.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    The question I've been asking for the past few decades, who decides what words (speech) is unacceptable and not politically correct ?

    Is it just one white beard scratching liberal or is there a panel of leftist who decide how we should talk ?

    For example since after the Vietnam War the term "gook" has been labeled by liberals as being a derogatory term in reference to Asians. But the word is a Marine Corps slang word, a noun for any person, place or thing that is strange or foreign. First believed to be used by U.S. Marines during the early 1800's during the Barbary Pirate Wars.

    In 1846 during the Mexican - American War, Joseph Walker (famous fur trapper) wrote in his journal that when Capt. Archibald Gillespie was making a report to Commodore Stockton in San Diego, California he said that "They killed some gooks yesterday." Joseph Walker never hearing this term used before asked Capt. Gillespie what was a "gook"? Gillespie told him it's a term for strange or foreign things or people, Mexicans.

    The U.S. Marines never had any contact with Asians before the Mexican - American War.

    In Richard Tregaskis published book "Guadalcanal Diary" about U.S. Marines fighting on the Solomon Islands during 1942 has in the book of Marines referring to Guadalcanal Island as a "gook island" not in reference to the natives or Japanese troops but the island was strange to the Marines, the jungle, swamps, heat and humidity.

    American soldiers picked up on the slang term from U.S. Marines during the Philippine Insurrection and used the term to describe the Muslim Moro's they were fighting.

    During WW ll U.S. Army soldiers who were fighting in southeastern Europe would call the white Europeans "gooks" because they were different from other Europeans.

    During the Vietnam War both Marines and soldiers would refer to Vietnamese as gooks and also white Australian soldiers who were fighting in Vietnam were called gooks at times.

    But right after the Vietnam War, some liberal in America decided that the term "gook" only referred to Asians and decided that it was a politically incorrect derogatory term without researching the true definition of the word.

    Around the same time liberals decided the term "Oriental" was a derogatory term and by the early 1980's they decided that the term "wetback" was politically incorrect to use and didn't bother asking Mexican illegal aliens if they took offense to the term, which they didn't until some white liberal told them the term was offensive.

    So why is it that only white liberals get to decide what we can say and not say ?

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The question I've been asking for the past few decades, who decides what words (speech) is unacceptable and not politically correct ?

    Is it just one white beard scratching liberal or is there a panel of leftist who decide how we should talk ?

    For example since after the Vietnam War the term "gook" has been labeled by liberals as being a derogatory term in reference to Asians. But the word is a Marine Corps slang word, a noun for any person, place or thing that is strange or foreign. First believed to be used by U.S. Marines during the early 1800's during the Barbary Pirate Wars.

    In 1846 during the Mexican - American War, Joseph Walker (famous fur trapper) wrote in his journal that when Capt. Archibald Gillespie was making a report to Commodore Stockton in San Diego, California he said that "They killed some gooks yesterday." Joseph Walker never hearing this term used before asked Capt. Gillespie what was a "gook"? Gillespie told him it's a term for strange or foreign things or people, Mexicans.

    The U.S. Marines never had any contact with Asians before the Mexican - American War.

    In Richard Tregaskis published book "Guadalcanal Diary" about U.S. Marines fighting on the Solomon Islands during 1942 has in the book of Marines referring to Guadalcanal Island as a "gook island" not in reference to the natives or Japanese troops but the island was strange to the Marines, the jungle, swamps, heat and humidity.

    American soldiers picked up on the slang term from U.S. Marines during the Philippine Insurrection and used the term to describe the Muslim Moro's they were fighting.

    During WW ll U.S. Army soldiers who were fighting in southeastern Europe would call the white Europeans "gooks" because they were different from other Europeans.

    During the Vietnam War both Marines and soldiers would refer to Vietnamese as gooks and also white Australian soldiers who were fighting in Vietnam were called gooks at times.

    But right after the Vietnam War, some liberal in America decided that the term "gook" only referred to Asians and decided that it was a politically incorrect derogatory term without researching the true definition of the word.

    Around the same time liberals decided the term "Oriental" was a derogatory term and by the early 1980's they decided that the term "wetback" was politically incorrect to use and didn't bother asking Mexican illegal aliens if they took offense to the term, which they didn't until some white liberal told them the term was offensive.

    So why is it that only white liberals get to decide what we can say and not say ?
    Good afternoon, Apacherat

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