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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's not just the US. All legal systems have such a tradition. And you just love tradition, don't you?
    I have a propensity towards Traditionalism, but I wouldn't say that I'm in love with it. A lot of my problem in this case is that too much emphasis is placed on the motive and not enough on the act itself. Motive does play some role, but it is the act itself which should be the main focus, and that doesn't seem to be the way in this system anymore. As for what other countries do.... I really couldn't care any less.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. I think we should simply stop protecting people from hearing the reality of the situation that they are in, and which in many cases they deserve to be in.
    SO you think the government should regulate speech.



    I'm not defending the right to assault someone. I'm simply suggesting that it's the ASSAULT that should be punished, not the fact that the assault was on some group that the person doesn't like. That's the equivelant of a parent punishing a child more harshly because he punched his sister, who he doesn't like rather than the brother that he does like. Are we punishing the assault or the fact that the assaulted one happens to be someone the assaulter doesn't like.
    So not a speech issue.

    Hiring is most definitely a speech issue. I can't hang a sign in my window that says "Irish need not apply". If that isn't speech, I'm not sure what is.
    The issue with the sign would not be the speech, but the hiring practice. The sign would be evidence.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm confused, are you advocating people NOT being allowed to express opposing opinions? Could you please clarify?
    Yes, that is exactly what I am advocating. I'm not a strong proponent of the Rights system the US uses. I'm more a proponent of a Privileges system.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I don't know, I've been called a bigot numerous times when citing a particular poll from Pew concerning Islamic religious attitudes. And it's a given that someone will simply assume that Pew is some weird right wing hate group.

    So it seems rather clear to me that a PC mentality can, indeed, become pervasive and overly burdensome
    Hm, I just wonder if it needs to be called "political correctness" in that case. Maybe it's just a "false assumption common in the mainstream".

    The term "political correctness" is usually used by right-leaning people against a left mainstream, but I think such false assumptions as well occur on the right side of the spectrum and are challenged by left-leaning people.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I have a propensity towards Traditionalism, but I wouldn't say that I'm in love with it. A lot of my problem in this case is that too much emphasis is placed on the motive and not enough on the act itself. Motive does play some role, but it is the act itself which should be the main focus, and that doesn't seem to be the way in this system anymore. As for what other countries do.... I really couldn't care any less.
    Under these traditions, the act *is* the main focus, with the motive only providing for enhanced sentences.

    And I find it odd that you reject the legal systems of the US *and* every other other nation that has ever existed. It's an unusual position for someone who values order as much as you do.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SO you think the government should regulate speech.
    Yes I do. As with most Rights, I believe they should be Privileges instead.

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    So not a speech issue.
    It is a speech issue as related to motive for and punishment of the crime.

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    The issue with the sign would not be the speech, but the hiring practice. The sign would be evidence.
    Either way, the right to employ those that I choose, which is both a matter of speech and assembly is being infringed upon by the Government.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes I do. As with most Rights, I believe they should be Privileges instead.



    It is a speech issue as related to motive for and punishment of the crime.



    Either way, the right to employ those that I choose, which is both a matter of speech and assembly is being infringed upon by the Government.
    So you support Privilige and not Rights, but you demand that the govt not infringe on your Rights?
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Under these traditions, the act *is* the main focus, with the motive only providing for enhanced sentences.

    And I find it odd that you reject the legal systems of the US *and* every other other nation that has ever existed. It's an unusual position for someone who values order as much as you do.
    It is exactly BECAUSE I value Order as much as I do that I reject systems which are focused on: preserving the supposed rights of the defendent over the rights of the violated, rehabilitation instead of punishment, and Legality over Justice.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you support Privilige and not Rights, but you demand that the govt not infringe on your Rights?
    I support the idea that the System should be changed. Until it is, I am protected by the stupidity of the system.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It is exactly BECAUSE I value Order as much as I do that I reject systems which are focused on: preserving the supposed rights of the defendent over the rights of the violated, rehabilitation instead of punishment, and Legality over Justice.
    But you have also rejected the legal systems that are not focused on rights, rehabilitation, or legality. You have rejected all of them
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