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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    On what basis, Redress? How is it that you can suggest that two issues where my speech is directly infringed upon by the Federal Government are not 1st Amendment issues?
    The law has a long tradition (and you're all for traditions, right?) of treating the same act differently based on the motive or intent behind the act. Murder for hire is treated more harshly than murder in the heat of passion.

    Hate crimes do not punish the speech; They punish the act and provide more serious consequences for the act because of it's intent or motive.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    about slavery...maybe, but do you think we have attained a truly post racist society? I really dont. I dont think gays should have to live their live secretely and dishonestly. Ladies should be able to deicide how they are, and we created the illegal immigrant mess, tossing them after allowing them to create a life here and stay for years and years is not exactly a civilized answer to a group that have contributed so much to our society.
    Not perfectly no, but talking about slavery to people that don't know it by people that don't know it, is just a bunch of demogoguery.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you think we should be politically correct about political correctness.
    No. I think we should simply stop protecting people from hearing the reality of the situation that they are in, and which in many cases they deserve to be in.

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    Punching and hiring are not speech.
    I'm not defending the right to assault someone. I'm simply suggesting that it's the ASSAULT that should be punished, not the fact that the assault was on some group that the person doesn't like. That's the equivelant of a parent punishing a child more harshly because he punched his sister, who he doesn't like rather than the brother that he does like. Are we punishing the assault or the fact that the assaulted one happens to be someone the assaulter doesn't like.

    Hiring is most definitely a speech issue. I can't hang a sign in my window that says "Irish need not apply". If that isn't speech, I'm not sure what is.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law has a long tradition (and you're all for traditions, right?) of treating the same act differently based on the motive or intent behind the act. Murder for hire is treated more harshly than murder in the heat of passion.

    Hate crimes do not punish the speech; They punish the act and provide more serious consequences for the act because of it's intent or motive.
    That's part of the reason I find very little value in the US Legal System.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Don't know about the US, but my impression about Germany is that "political correctness" is a discoursive weapon term used by far-right chauvinists to counter the justified moral outrage triggered by their chauvinistic statements.

    If you want to say something racist i.e., you'll usually earn emotional disagreement from the majority, so you better say it's "political correctness" that somehow delegitimizes this disagreement. It's almost as good as godwining the debate.
    well, this seems to assume such outrage is justified to begin with, not to mention basing that justification on the immediate reaction of a crowd. I rather look at a things on a case by case basis

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    It would be the discrimination that is against the law. Not the sign. Course the sign would be kinda incriminating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. I think we should simply stop protecting people from hearing the reality of the situation that they are in, and which in many cases they deserve to be in.



    I'm not defending the right to assault someone. I'm simply suggesting that it's the ASSAULT that should be punished, not the fact that the assault was on some group that the person doesn't like. That's the equivelant of a parent punishing a child more harshly because he punched his sister, who he doesn't like rather than the brother that he does like. Are we punishing the assault or the fact that the assaulted one happens to be someone the assaulter doesn't like.

    Hiring is most definitely a speech issue. I can't hang a sign in my window that says "Irish need not apply". If that isn't speech, I'm not sure what is.
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It would be the discrimination that is against the law. Not the sign. Course the sign would be kinda incriminating.
    Which is, in my mind at least, an extension of speech.

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's part of the reason I find very little value in the US Legal System.
    It's not just the US

    All legal systems have such a tradition.

    And you just love tradition, don't you?
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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    No, I don't feel like digging any of it up now.

    But rest assured, there is nothing as "trendy" among far-right people than whining about alleged "political correctness". Which basically just means they're upset the mainstream is less right-wing than they are and they can't deal with constant disagreement, so they have to construct a conspiracy.
    I don't know, I've been called a bigot numerous times when citing a particular poll from Pew concerning Islamic religious attitudes. And it's a given that someone will simply assume that Pew is some weird right wing hate group.

    So it seems rather clear to me that a PC mentality can, indeed, become pervasive and overly burdensome

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    Re: Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. It just means that like many other things, some of us are going to ignore it, regardless.
    You are more than welcome to ignore those who wish for political correctness.

    You can start with the EEOC. The idea that I would have to interview and/or accept applications from people who I wouldn't hire if they were the only candidate.
    Interviewing and accepting applications is not the same thing as hiring people, which is what you said.

    The problem is that there is nothing preventing people from speaking UnTruth either.
    A lament myself and many others like me have about Fox News and MSNBC.

    It's just part of it.

    Which is part of why I have very little use for America and/or its system of Government at this point in history.
    I'm confused, are you advocating people NOT being allowed to express opposing opinions? Could you please clarify?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    PC is more about feel good language. Not using words that would make someone else feel bad. Although PC has frequently been used to suppress the voicing of ones political views. So in that way, yes PC does sometimes suppress free speech.

    But I am an old foggie who doesn’t give PC a second thought. I would rather someone come to me, call me a few names and tell me he hates my gut, at least I know where I stand with him. That is a lot better than having him come up to me smiling and say some nice things he doesn’t mean, then do the back stabbing thing behind my back. But I suppose way too many people have very thin skins today. Hiding true feelings behind PC sometimes can cause those feeling to build up and have an eruption occur. Whereas getting things out in the open sort of acts like a safety valve.

    So I will smile and tell you what you want to hear and then do my dirty work behind you backs. I can be really good at PC’ing.
    I don't think of political correctness as being two faced. I think of political correctness as not saying inflammatory things about a particular demographic of people. If you are white and would go up to a black person you know and tell them you think they are a liar and an unethical person, that would not be in violation of political correctness. But if you called her the "n" word and a female dog, it would be.

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