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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It means this thread needs to be killed because i ****ed up the poll part
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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Figured it was something like that.

    Look, this really just isn't a good comparison, as has been pointed out many times.

    Nuclear bombs are strategic weapons systems, with a large-scale area effect and the potential to affect people many miles away from the blast radius via fallout or electromagnetic pulse or other effects. It is impossible to use a nuke to target an individual enemy; it is all but impossible to maintain or use nuclear weapons without a supporting organization of thousands of people; it is all but impossible to use a nuke without inflicting thousands or millions of injuries and deaths including civilian "collateral damage". Imagining a legitimate purpose for nukes other than destroying other nations and their civilian populations is a stretch.

    Guns, by comparison, are personal weapons that are capable of targeting individual enemies and are not typically area-effect weapons. They can be used by an individual for legitimate purposes such as self-defense and sport. They do not require a massive infrastructure for maintenance and deployment.

    It is literally a firecrackers vs atom-bombs comparison that makes apples and oranges look identical.
    It's not a good comparison for the entirety of the gun issue for the reasons you stated among others. However, it is a good comparison for specific similarities that nuclear weapons and guns have. For example, both guns and nukes are inanimate weapons. One of the most common pro-gun arguments is that because guns are inanimate, they, in and of themselves, aren't a danger to the population. Since nukes are also inanimate weapons, asking if those inanimate weapons "kill people" is a means of determining how people feel about the danger of inanimate objects by analogy and without the emotion involved in gun debates. Even though they aren't weapons, the same limited comparison could be made with other inanimate objects like cars, airplanes and so on.

    It's also a good limited comparison in a way that I suspect TDS didn't mean to make. The safe use of guns and nuclear weapons both depend on the responsibility of human beings. Therefore, in both cases, we have to ask ourselves, "Can we trust humans to act responsibly enough to have the weapons?" One of the most common anti-gun arguments is that people aren't responsible enough to have weapons. Since nukes also require people to act responsibly, asking if its okay for countries to have nukes would be a way of determining how people feel about the role of responsibility in owning weapons by analogy and without the emotion involved in gun debates.

    No analogy is perfect, but perfect comparisons are not the function of analogies. People use them to draw limited comparisons between specific aspects of different ideas.

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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People

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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    oh my my my
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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's not a good comparison for the entirety of the gun issue for the reasons you stated among others. However, it is a good comparison for specific similarities that nuclear weapons and guns have. For example, both guns and nukes are inanimate weapons. One of the most common pro-gun arguments is that because guns are inanimate, they, in and of themselves, aren't a danger to the population. Since nukes are also inanimate weapons, asking if those inanimate weapons "kill people" is a means of determining how people feel about the danger of inanimate objects by analogy and without the emotion involved in gun debates. Even though they aren't weapons, the same limited comparison could be made with other inanimate objects like cars, airplanes and so on.

    It's also a good limited comparison in a way that I suspect TDS didn't mean to make. The safe use of guns and nuclear weapons both depend on the responsibility of human beings. Therefore, in both cases, we have to ask ourselves, "Can we trust humans to act responsibly enough to have the weapons?" One of the most common anti-gun arguments is that people aren't responsible enough to have weapons. Since nukes also require people to act responsibly, asking if its okay for countries to have nukes would be a way of determining how people feel about the role of responsibility in owning weapons by analogy and without the emotion involved in gun debates.

    No analogy is perfect, but perfect comparisons are not the function of analogies. People use them to draw limited comparisons between specific aspects of different ideas.


    Okay. I still see the two as very difficult to compare, though, even in a limited fashion. For example, a nuke includes a variety of dangerous components. There are explosives, which if wrongly stored or handled could become unstable and self-detonate. There are nuclear materials that are radioactive and very toxic, and require special handling to avoid injury to anyone exposed to them. Plutonium, in particular, is one of the most incredibly toxic substances in existence.

    One also has to consider the degree of disaster involved if the weapon is misused. A mishandled gun can injure or kill someone yes... in certain unusual circumstances someone with ill intent may be able to use a gun to kill dozens of people.

    Misuse or nefarious use of a nuke can readily result in the death or injury of hundreds of thousands of people, possibly millions.

    There's also the issue that a nuke has no legitimate use in private hands... whereas firearms do: self-defense being the most important. Since it is impossible to make all weapons disappear (guns alone even, but also knives and bludgeons and bows and all the other things people killed people with before guns were invented), the need for personal arms for self-defense is a strong argument, whereas there simply IS no argument for the private personal possession of nuclear weapons, is there?

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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's also a useful tool to confuse the anti-gun nuts who think that guns walk around with a mind of their own and fire at people, or that everyone carrying a gun is a mass murderer waiting to happen.
    Nuclear weapons should be legal, because nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nuclear weapons should be legal, because nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nuclear weapons should be legal, because nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
    In WW2, in Japan, nuclear weapons saved millions of lives.
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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People?

    drink machines topple over and kill people every year. I beat a toppling ICBM would take out 2 or 3 people

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    Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Kill People

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question:
    Do nuclear bombs kill people?
    Not since 1945.

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