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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    But what is "the movement?" I claim it is the people of it, not the so-called leaders of it - nor those who try to push everything to compromised middle grounds for correctness or to seem "nice."

    In short, a "movement" IS the supporters, therefore the poll question and potential answers are based on a false premise that a "movement" is defined top-down.

    So, as example, the gun-rights "movement" is NOT the NRA, it is gun-rights activists. The anti-gun-rights movement is put on the table by Democrats, but they are not "the movement" for gun rights restrictions.

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Republicans are better at seeing the distinction between "the movement/principles" and the leadership.

    Many Republicans had no problem criticizing and even raging against W Bush, McCain and Romney. But few Democrats do so against Obama and either completely reversed their principles/stances or made excuses. FOR OBAMA, most Democrats have either reversed themselves or declared it trivial on:
    Drone attacks against other countries, civil rights, the Constitution's Bill of Rights, war, the military, personal privacy issues, corporate welfare, police and government power, transparent government. Israel, and Gitmo - as just some examples.

    To understand "conservative" principles you have to look at the people. To understand "liberal" principles (in the USA) you have to see what Democratic leaders are doing or pushing at the moment.

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Republicans are better at seeing the distinction between "the movement/principles" and the leadership.

    Many Republicans had no problem criticizing and even raging against W Bush, McCain and Romney. But few Democrats do so against Obama and either completely reversed their principles/stances or made excuses. FOR OBAMA, most Democrats have either reversed themselves or declared it trivial on:
    Drone attacks against other countries, civil rights, the Constitution's Bill of Rights, war, the military, personal privacy issues, corporate welfare, police and government power, transparent government. Israel, and Gitmo - as just some examples.

    To understand "conservative" principles you have to look at the people. To understand "liberal" principles (in the USA) you have to see what Democratic leaders are doing or pushing at the moment.
    W@hat about Reagan's 11th commandent?

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    There are some people who are so whacked out to their particular extreme, that if they endorse something I have to be immediately suspicious. I have to check it our deeper than I otherwise might.

    Sometimes it turns out ok. Sometimes it turns out to be a trojan horse to be avoided.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Which doesn't alter the fact that we are human, and I think it will impact us. But you are right, it shouldn't. Though I will say it does make me reevaluate, just to make sure. That extremists recognize you as one of them, and believe that you stand with them, should give you pause.
    I was answering the question for myself.
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