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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That's what you and Fiddy were talking about. I was responding directly to your comment to Fiddy, obviously.
    And I already responded to it -- if people change the idea, then the changed idea needs to be judged on its own. But the validity of the idea itself still wouldn't have anything to do with who holds it.
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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This is why you need to free yourself from your views of logic.
    I don't need to. And I don't have a "view" of logic. Logic just is.


    If a popular movement of people wanted to increase funds for medical research of my disability, but did so out of a belief that I ought not exist, I would distrust it immediately and not wish to seek it through if the outcome was likely to be shaped by that idea.
    Then that's a horrible idea, no matter who holds it.
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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post

    Then that's a horrible idea, no matter who holds it.
    As a result, I abhor Autism Speaks and much of the revived medical research movement, though they proclaim to do so out of generosity and humanitarian reasons.
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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    As a result, I abhor Autism Speaks and much of the revived medical research movement, though they proclaim to do so out of generosity and humanitarian reasons.
    OK, then you have a problem with the whole idea and its arguments.
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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, then you have a problem with the whole idea and its arguments.
    The idea of medical research on the disability I do not have a problem with. The supporters' implied view of people with disabilities, I do. Though the idea is to increase medical research of disability, if its continued presence meant that policy-makers would adopt the movement's implied ableism, I would stand opposed to more medical research.
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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The idea of medical research on the disability I do not have a problem with. The supporters' implied view of people with disabilities, I do. Though the idea is to increase medical research of disability, if its continued presence meant that policy-makers would adopt the movement's implied ableism, I would stand opposed to more medical research.
    Then you have a problem with those views, whoever holds them. Would you NOT have a problem with them if someone you really, really liked held them? I doubt that very much.
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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Of course, in terms of public perception. Many will choose to look beyond the surface of their proposal and instead at the prior history of said supporters and their potential motives. Gun control being a good example, same sex marriage another.

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    For the Liberals, there is a uniting factor that induces sworn enemies to jump into bed with each other. This transcends any disgust with the other members. The Liberal uniting factor is hate, hatred of those who would oppose their individual agenda.

    Look at the shrieking occupants of that big, multi-colored, diverse Liberal circus tent, the diverse Liberal client groups. There is no love lost between them. In fact, many hate each other, but they all have the common uniting factor of hatred of traditionalist Conservatives. For this reason, we see their automatic response of all supporting each other.

    How will this play out when one faction becomes dominant and begins to suppress another faction? We are seeing the beginning of this right now with the Mexicans driving the blacks out of California. Because of media suppression and the fact of being low information voters, there has not yet been a reaction from the blacks. Soon the numbers will be so great that it will be impossible to suppress and both groups will look to their beloved government to settle their irreconcilable differences. My prediction is that Liberal affairs will become very bad at that time.

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    Wow, didn't think Ray would be able to successfully interject his dislike for both Mexicans and African Americans into a completely unrelated topic. Impressive stuff.

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    Re: Do a movement's supporters influence the legitimacy of that movement?

    The prime example of harming a movement is Al Gore as the poster boy for global warming. The man's actions in his personal life, living in a large house, flying all over the world, selling his tv network to Al Jazeera and the Saudi oil money, etc. The man is a fraud and he's played many for fools in order to enrich his own life.

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