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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If it had been the CEO of a company no one would have known about it. There was no reason for it to be made public except political reasons. It was just another GOP travesty that keeps happening. The Reps. have no other way to compete. Their policies are so unpopular that they stoop to the lowest possible levels to make political points instead of doing the right things for voters. It is not working though, they have failed to win the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 Presidential contests.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Clinton is our most well liked President. You are obsessed with a personal matter that was none of anyone's business. What happens behind closed doors between consenting adults is protected by our Constitution.
    I assume you are referring to the Monica incident. I however was referring to his whole selfish, self-entitled attitude demonstrated by him throughout his career. If you want to discuss every single one of them, feel free. Please put it another thread though and get permission to use up that many Terra-bytes of storage. Further, how does his popularity change in anyway whether his actions were self-indulgent and morally contemptible? There was recently two high school football players who got convicted of rape, should we check their popularity before we decide their actions were wrong and contemptible? Also, if you are referring to either Monica or the Flowers woman, where is it Constitutionally protected? Last I checked, it was still a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and that document has been vetted, many times, for constitutionality. Do you have some other reference where the courts have ruled on the subject?

    The subject here was whether punishment was too harsh to a girl who was acting "self entitled". I stand by my statement that someone with the influence of Clinton, who clearly acted the same way, is a negative example to young people. Or to any person for that matter, young or old. When Presidents, the latest "Pop-tart" and so many others that influence people act in such a manner, it is not surprising to me that some parents, even when they have done a reasonable job of parenting, might lose control of a rebellious teenager.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Humility doesn't come from humiliation.
    I'm going to have to disagree there. First comes (agreeably) rage. Then comes exhaustion. Then comes humility.


    None of us know this girl, none of us know these parents, none of us know what has or hasn't worked in raising this child, yet all of us seem to be willing to assume that we can operate as if we did have access to all these particulars...


    Personally, I plan on using public humiliation as a tool - just precisely as my parents did. When I hurt someone else or was cruel to them, I was forced to apologize and admit what I had done - in public. It was humiliating. Our culture teaches (and we are naturally inclined to) self-justification as a default position. It is far easier to just say "sorry" quickly, quietly, privately (which is a way of publicly pretending you didn't do the deed) or "sorry that you didn't like what I did" (which is a way of putting the blame on the other).

    Associating doing wrong to another with publicly admitting it, however? That was a powerful incentive, and put me in the right position vis-a-vie my actions towards others.

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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Thing is, a kid doesn't just start getting bad grades. If her parents were on top of it from the get-go, they'd notice she wasn't doing homework, studying, etc., etc.

    Positive reinforcement works better than a belt.

    An aside. My brother-in-law had a bloodhound that they insisted be put into the basement whenever they went out. This was always a wrestling match, with hubby or wifey practically falling down the stairs trying to get him in the basement. Yelling! Screaming! Swatting! OMFG!

    One day I'd had enough. I got a Milk Bone, took six steps down, offered it up, and down he came. They rewarded him in the future and never had another problem. In fact? He couldn't WAIT to get down those stairs.

    Works with kids, too.
    It's called Operant Conditioning and it works with any sentient creature

    So sometimes, it doesn't work with teens!
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    what would it have meant to Lonza since his mother was never around. It has to do with shooters. thanks for the laugh
    I think you'd be hard put to show that, had he been spanked at school, he wouldn't have stolen his moms guns, shot her, then gone and killed a bunch of kids.

    I can remember when we used corporal punishment at school. It didn't do much good in my experience.
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    Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Parents Force Girl to Hold Sign as Punishment for Being Disrespectful. Tough Love or Too Much?

    Worried about their 13-year-old daughter's increasingly disrespectful behavior, Gentry and Renee Nickell of Crestview, Florida, decided to make her punishment humiliating and public. On Saturday, the teen (whose name has not been released) spent 90 minutes standing at a busy intersection with a hand-written sign describing her sins.

    It read: "Iím a self-entitled teenager w/no respect for authority. Iím also super smart, yet I have 3 'Dís' because I DONíT CARE."

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    Is it what I would do? No. Not every kid will listen though. Some kids may actually be defiant regardless of how good a parent you are. They actually have a disorder classification about that now.

    What I take away from this is that the public needs to stay the hell out of parenting affairs. It isn't your job to discipline this girl. It isn't the governments job to dictate too much discipline (beyond physical abuse).
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Parents Force Girl to Hold Sign as Punishment for Being Disrespectful. Tough Love or Too Much?

    Worried about their 13-year-old daughter's increasingly disrespectful behavior, Gentry and Renee Nickell of Crestview, Florida, decided to make her punishment humiliating and public. On Saturday, the teen (whose name has not been released) spent 90 minutes standing at a busy intersection with a hand-written sign describing her sins.

    It read: "I’m a self-entitled teenager w/no respect for authority. I’m also super smart, yet I have 3 'D’s' because I DON’T CARE."

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    the parents should be ashamed of themselves.

    yes kids can be obnoxious, they can get totally out of control.

    but this kid obviously had some issues which would not be helped by that kind of public humiliation.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm going to have to disagree there. First comes (agreeably) rage. Then comes exhaustion. Then comes humility.


    None of us know this girl, none of us know these parents, none of us know what has or hasn't worked in raising this child, yet all of us seem to be willing to assume that we can operate as if we did have access to all these particulars...


    Personally, I plan on using public humiliation as a tool - just precisely as my parents did. When I hurt someone else or was cruel to them, I was forced to apologize and admit what I had done - in public. It was humiliating. Our culture teaches (and we are naturally inclined to) self-justification as a default position. It is far easier to just say "sorry" quickly, quietly, privately (which is a way of publicly pretending you didn't do the deed) or "sorry that you didn't like what I did" (which is a way of putting the blame on the other).

    Associating doing wrong to another with publicly admitting it, however? That was a powerful incentive, and put me in the right position vis-a-vie my actions towards others.
    apologizing if you have hurt someone or have been cruel IS NOT humiliation.
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    Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm going to have to disagree there. First comes (agreeably) rage. Then comes exhaustion. Then comes humility.


    None of us know this girl, none of us know these parents, none of us know what has or hasn't worked in raising this child, yet all of us seem to be willing to assume that we can operate as if we did have access to all these particulars...


    Personally, I plan on using public humiliation as a tool - just precisely as my parents did. When I hurt someone else or was cruel to them, I was forced to apologize and admit what I had done - in public. It was humiliating. Our culture teaches (and we are naturally inclined to) self-justification as a default position. It is far easier to just say "sorry" quickly, quietly, privately (which is a way of publicly pretending you didn't do the deed) or "sorry that you didn't like what I did" (which is a way of putting the blame on the other).

    Associating doing wrong to another with publicly admitting it, however? That was a powerful incentive, and put me in the right position vis-a-vie my actions towards others.
    I can so agree. I cannot tell you how many college kids I met who truly needed a public ass kicking to teach them humility. I almost delivered one to a disrespectful drunken cur who would not show me disrespect. I settled for a quiet, "step away from me now or I will break your neck before the cops he here." It worked to shut him up...but I doubt he learned a lesson about being a drunken cur and disrespecting people.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    At one time, I was a vice principal of a K-8 school.

    Now, 8th. graders are not known for their tractability, necessarily. Some are, of course, but then, there are those other ones.

    One was an 8th. grade boy who was constantly in trouble. He'd been suspended before, and had come back just as bad. The suspension for him was nothing but a vacation from school, until the last one. He was suspended for a week.

    His dad took him to the fields that week, where he spent his time "chopping cotton", which really means using a hoe to cut weeds and thin crops.

    When he came back, he was a changed lad.

    Now, this was back in the '70s. Society was somewhat different back then.

    Was this father too harsh?
    No.

    hard work doesn't do anyone any harm. in fact, he would have learnt a few things and come back having felt that he had achieved something.

    standing on a corner with a sign around your neck doesn't achieve anything .
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