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Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

Did this teen get punished too harshly?

  • No

    Votes: 36 49.3%

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 16.4%

  • I would have looked at other options

    Votes: 20 27.4%

  • Counseling would have been best

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • Total voters
    73
  • Poll closed .
clownboy said:
So, you're saying you're okay with the CEO's behavior as long as you don't hear about it? And there IS another reason besides the political to have made the reveal - because such behavior is not what we want in the American workplace. It's the sort of thing that falls quickly into sexual harrassment which is banned behavior.

Again, you'd scream foul if some CEO were doing this. The POTUS you like however, gets a pass.
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Again..What happens between consenting adults behind closed doors is none of yours or my business. There was no claim of sexual harassment made against Clinton by Monica. The only harassment was made by the GOP investigation. Now you are grasping at straws.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I think you'd be hard put to show that, had he been spanked at school, he wouldn't have stolen his moms guns, shot her, then gone and killed a bunch of kids.

I can remember when we used corporal punishment at school. It didn't do much good in my experience.
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I can't remember even one school shooting when I was a kid in the 70's.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
You clearly do not know what humility is.

humility is nothing to do with humiliation OR handling disappointment.
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of course it does. My Dad used to say he told me NO sometimes even if there was no real reason just so I could learn how to handle disappointment. That is something few kids of today have a grasp of. Many of them grow into adult kids posting such tripe as what is above.
 
Rocketman said:
I can't remember even one school shooting when I was a kid in the 70's.
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Because the news didnt run 24/7. The first recorded shooting in a school was in 1764 in Pennsylvania. It happened. Charles Whitman? 1902 Altona?
 
stonewall50 said:
Because the news didnt run 24/7. The first recorded shooting in a school was in 1764 in Pennsylvania. It happened. Charles Whitman? 1902 Altona?
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It came on 5-6 times a day in the 70's, let's not go extreme fringe
 
Rocketman said:
of course it does. My Dad used to say he told me NO sometimes even if there was no real reason just so I could learn how to handle disappointment. That is something few kids of today have a grasp of. Many of them grow into adult kids posting such tripe as what is above.
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This seems a separate argument to me though. She can be taught humility without being humiliated so publicly, which very well can lead to worsening of behavior. There have to be other methods, including the counseling option, that they should try first, especially when the article says her behavior coincided with her uncle's death. I also think that some authority doesn't deserve respect. Many parents and teachers are just awful and less capable than the teenagers they're responsible for. Also who cares about middle school grades seriously?
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
I dare say that even as a grown man, if someone forced you to wear such a sign and stand out in the street, you would learn to resent them.
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Not as teenager that knows there are consequences for their actions. Now someone raised in a liberal home might.
 
chromium said:
This seems a separate argument to me though. She can be taught humility without being humiliated so publicly, which very well can lead to worsening of behavior. There have to be other methods, including the counseling option, that they should try first, especially when the article says her behavior coincided with her uncle's death. I also think that some authority doesn't deserve respect. Many parents and teachers are just awful and less capable than the teenagers they're responsible for. Also who cares about middle school grades seriously?
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The last sentence goes to show what we have become
 
Rocketman said:
Not as teenager that knows there are consequences for their actions. Now someone raised in a liberal home might.
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I 'll dare say that, if we had a child psychiatrist here, rather than opinionated old men (you and I )..he would state that the child would continue to rebel - consequences or not..and that liberal or conservative makes little difference....
I feel that Viktyr is correct and, if that were me...I'd HATE - much more than just resent...
 
earthworm said:
I 'll dare say that, if we had a child psychiatrist here, rather than opinionated old men (you and I )..he would state that the child would continue to rebel - consequences or not..and that liberal or conservative makes little difference....
I feel that Viktyr is correct and, if that were me...I'd HATE - much more than just resent...
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Just as we would expect a liberal progressive child would. The thing about child psychiatrists is most of them have never had children. It is kind of like a dentist make reccomendations on heart surgery procedures, it means dick.

Why is it that progressives think that expectations and discipline are wrong and then blame guns for the decisions these stupid kids make?
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
No. I would've done the same. Let me put it this way...I grew up in a home where if I would've even thought about being disrespectful, I would've been picking my teeth up off the floor.

Sure teenagers are going to have moments of disrespectful behavior, However, it turns into a habit quickly. Better nip it in the butt before it's out of hand.

If a person does nothing...then don't be surprised when your children wind up being a teen parent, dropping out of high school or winding up in juvenile detention ... or worse.
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Living in fear - NOT a good thing - so obvious ..
 
earthworm said:
And just exactly what have we "become" ?
BTW, its just me, but, I'd take all grades, from pre-school to post-grad courses, seriously.
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We have become a society that wants to blame inanimate objects for people's bad behavior that we have chosen to ignore so they could "express themselves"
 
marywollstonecraft said:
the parents should be ashamed of themselves.

yes kids can be obnoxious, they can get totally out of control.

but this kid obviously had some issues which would not be helped by that kind of public humiliation.
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Ironically, most kids with behavior problems only reflect the problems experienced at home. It's not that there are no bad kids. But, most of the time bad parents are behind the bad kids.
 
Haven't read the entire thread, so if this has been mentioned, my apologies.

I think they were too harsh. There's no need to humiliate a child. They have too many self-esteem issues anyway, and now this kid is going to have to face the humiliation of going to school every day, and having people make fun of her. Kids are fragile. Take away her cellphone, or her internet priviliges. Don't publicly embarrass her. That's just wrong.
 
As someone in the last years of his teens, unmarried, and without children, I am sure my opinion on this matter will be discounted by some of you. But it is my opinion that, rather than correcting this 13 year old girl's behaviour, the resentment this will engender will blossom into a deep seated dislike of her parents. It will certainly do the opposite of inducing more respect for her parents.

When I was very little, I remember my dad saying that there was no such thing as a wicked child - there were only inept, selfish, or lazy parents. I think he knew what he was talking about.
 
I agree with you Leo, on the point that it will cause a resentment later on for the parents from the girl.

I disagree with your Dad, though, that there are no bad children. I have raised 5 children. 3 are great, 2 are not so great. Same surroundings, same upbringing, same parents. I do believe that some kids are just born differently.
 
Rocketman said:
Not as teenager that knows there are consequences for their actions. Now someone raised in a liberal home might.
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You've managed to conflate a massive case of self-deception with partisan hackery. Congratulations?
 
Superfly said:
I agree with you Leo, on the point that it will cause a resentment later on for the parents from the girl.

I disagree with your Dad, though, that there are no bad children. I have raised 5 children. 3 are great, 2 are not so great. Same surroundings, same upbringing, same parents. I do believe that some kids are just born differently.
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yes, but they aren't bad. they have problematic behaviours perhaps.

I agree - same kids, same parents, same upbringing ... there can be differences that leave us shaking our heads and wondering what we did "wrong" as parents ... when we didn't.
 
I would never do this specific punishment, but I don't think it's as bad as others forms of punishment, either. In fact, as a general concept, our society could do with re-introducing a certain amount of public shame for undesired and unwise behaviors.

I have to laugh at those who point the blame solely at the parents, though. The notion that people, even kids, are programmable robots who will do the right things if we simply push the right buttons, it patently absurd. People, even kids, are independent beings with divergent personalities, and there will always be some who won't conform.
 
It's amazing how many people are experts on parenting when we have a thread on it. I never realized so many are so smart about something they've read online. We should probably make a poll to see who's been a parent to correllate with the data. I wonder if some even read the article.
 
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marywollstonecraft said:
yes, but they aren't bad. they have problematic behaviours perhaps.

I agree - same kids, same parents, same upbringing ... there can be differences that leave us shaking our heads and wondering what we did "wrong" as parents ... when we didn't.
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The bottom line is that we all make choices that affect our lives. Some people make poor choices despite the best of parenting and mentoring, others make good choices despite poor parenting. Every one of us is an individual.
 
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