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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    He doesn't live with it idiot, he learns from it just like an athlete that loses a game. Liberal idiots believe no child should suffer regardless of their actions. that is why we have idiot kids committing adult crimes.
    and if the kid loses a game, do you hang a sign around his neck saying "loser"?

    Is that what non liberals do?
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and if the kid loses a game, do you hang a sign around his neck saying "loser"?

    Is that what non liberals do?
    It is called a scoreboard slow one

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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    He doesn't live with it idiot, he learns from it just like an athlete that loses a game. Liberal idiots believe no child should suffer regardless of their actions. that is why we have idiot kids committing adult crimes.
    I am looking at this message (in red) which appears at the head of every page on this forum -
    The Forum Rules have been updated to reflect a new rule concerning offensive and disrespectful posts.
    I wonder if the moderators might have a view of your opening sentence?

    As to the rest of your post - I do not consider it idiotic to believe that children should not suffer unnecessarily, or indeed at all. There is a certain philosophy, within a certain demographic, which believes that children are the property of those who produced them, and may be treated as those parents see fit. To those who entertain similar primitive beliefs, I would suggest these lines by Khalil Gibran -

    Your children are not your children.
    They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
    They come through you but not from you,
    And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

    You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
    For they have their own thoughts.
    You may house their bodies but not their souls,
    For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
    which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
    You may strive to be like them,
    but seek not to make them like you.
    For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I am looking at this message (in red) which appears at the head of every page on this forum -
    I wonder if the moderators might have a view of your opening sentence?

    As to the rest of your post - I do not consider it idiotic to believe that children should not suffer unnecessarily, or indeed at all. There is a certain philosophy, within a certain demographic, which believes that children are the property of those who produced them, and may be treated as those parents see fit. To those who entertain similar primitive beliefs, I would suggest these lines by Khalil Gibran -
    Everyone loves a tattletail. When people change your post to say something it doesn't they should be called out on it.

    That being said, I think those parents should be able to raise their kids as they see fit. Everyone here that has kids realizes that no two kids can be raised the same. of our 4, two of them were so sensitive and louder voice would make them cry and one of them would laugh at you when you were really eating his ass.

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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Parents Force Girl to Hold Sign as Punishment for Being Disrespectful. Tough Love or Too Much?

    Worried about their 13-year-old daughter's increasingly disrespectful behavior, Gentry and Renee Nickell of Crestview, Florida, decided to make her punishment humiliating and public. On Saturday, the teen (whose name has not been released) spent 90 minutes standing at a busy intersection with a hand-written sign describing her sins.

    It read: "Iím a self-entitled teenager w/no respect for authority. Iím also super smart, yet I have 3 'Dís' because I DONíT CARE."

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    I don't have a problem with this form of punishment, but some parents need to learn that respect/authority is earned rather than something one is entitled to simply by nature of being a parent.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Everyone loves a tattletail. When people change your post to say something it doesn't they should be called out on it.
    LOL, what's a 'tattletail'? There is no such word - perhaps you meant to use the phrase 'tattle tale'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    That being said, I think those parents should be able to raise their kids as they see fit. Everyone here that has kids realizes that no two kids can be raised the same. of our 4, two of them were so sensitive and louder voice would make them cry and one of them would laugh at you when you were really eating his ass.
    LOL (again), did you really mean to write 'eating his ass'? If so, I must confess that you have somewhat idiosyncratic methods of rearing children.

    But I agree with your basic premise as expressed in the above paragraph. Of course children are individually different (as are adults,) and individually sensitive to the point where different methods need to be employed with each. None of which detracts from my points that (a) your children do not belong to you as property, and (b) no child should be made to suffer, either physically or psychologically.

    I am quite sure that you (as with everyone else here) are a sincere person who is doing what you think is best for your children, and would not wish them harm in any possible way. But we are all products of our history and environment, and what we think is 'best' is not always incontrovertibly so. The state of being a parent does not make all one's views sacrosanct, and the victims of misguided good intentions are usually the children.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't have a problem with this form of punishment, but some parents need to learn that respect/authority is earned rather than something one is entitled to simply by nature of being a parent.
    100% incorrect. One does deserve respect from their own kid simply by being a parent. The kid knows nothing of the world, the parent does. The whole "respect must be earned" viewpoint, with kids and in general, is a huge reason why society is so fractured anymore. People use that as an excuse to be twits.

    Said respect can be lost, however.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    100% incorrect. One does deserve respect from their own kid simply by being a parent. The kid knows nothing of the world, the parent does. The whole "respect must be earned" viewpoint, with kids and in general, is a huge reason why society is so fractured anymore. People use that as an excuse to be twits.

    Said respect can be lost, however.
    Sometimes the parents are the twits and the kids are the victims of abusive control freaks. With all the stories of stupid and unfit parents out there, you can't possibly think that someone holds moral authority over another simply because the child popped out of her vagina.

    I'm not saying that that's what happened in this case. Some kids deserve ass-whoopings if not worse. But when you're being disrespected by your child, maybe part of the problem lies with you.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sometimes the parents are the twits and the kids are the victims of abusive control freaks. With all the stories of stupid and unfit parents out there, you can't possibly think that someone holds moral authority over another simply because the child popped out of her vagina.

    I'm not saying that that's what happened in this case. Some kids deserve ass-whoopings if not worse. But when you're being disrespected by your child, maybe part of the problem lies with you.
    This... I don't disagree with. Sometimes the parents are the twits. No doubt. And the kids will figure that out.

    I have an issue with the whole "respect must be earned" thing in a general sense. In the case of kids, they don't have the discerning ability when young, so it's an unrealistic expectation... but they'll figure it out.

    In a general sense, in my observations, people who say other people must earn their respect are really people who respect no one and just want a noble-sounding license to be their usual boorish selves.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Were these parents too harsh on their daughter?

    Disrespecting another human and bullying by humiliation is completely wrong. Discipline it "to teach" ... they have not taught her anything except how to humiliate a kid in front of her peers.

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