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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?


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Bullxit.

  • Speaking to reporters, Hadley said details from the CIA memos and phone call slipped his mind. He apologized to Bush on Monday, he said. "The high standards the president set were not met," said Hadley. Despite the error, the president has "full confidence in his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor and the director of central intelligence," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.


  • "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."


  • "Those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," George Tenet said in a statement. "This was a mistake."


  • "Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect." ~ Ari Fleischer


  • "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice

Not an intelligence professional among them.:cool:
 
From the NYT article, here's the key.

"He made the claim more than once, but gave no supporting evidence. Amid confusing statements by various lawmakers, he later appeared to backtrack in conversations with both The Associated Press and Reuters, saying that because Sismi never had the documents, it could not comment on their merit.":cool:
 
From the NYT article, here's the key.

"He made the claim more than once, but gave no supporting evidence. Amid confusing statements by various lawmakers, he later appeared to backtrack in conversations with both The Associated Press and Reuters, saying that because Sismi never had the documents, it could not comment on their merit.":cool:

"At about the same time as the State of the Union address, they said that the dossier doesn't correspond to the truth," Senator Brutti said. He said he did not know whether the warning was given before or after President Bush's address.

He made the claim more than once, but gave no supporting evidence. Amid confusing statements by various lawmakers, he later appeared to backtrack in conversations with both The Associated Press and Reuters, saying that because Sismi never had the documents, it could not comment on their merit.

There had long been doubts within the United States intelligence community about the authenticity of the yellowcake documents, and references to it had been deleted from other presentations given at the time.

Senator Luigi Malabarba, who also attended Thursday's hearing, said in a telephone interview that General Pollari had told the committee that Mr. Martino was "offering the documents not on behalf of Sismi but on behalf of the French" and that Mr. Martino had told prosecutors in Rome that he was in the service of French intelligence.

Source of Forged Niger-Iraq Uranium Documents Identified
 
In terms of allowing them unfettered access to inspect sites? Yes.

The UN disagrees with you.
Bullxit ... Hans Blix, from the U.N. ...

"In my 27 January [2003] update to the Council, I said that it seemed from our experience that Iraq had decided in principle to provide cooperation on process, most importantly prompt access to all sites and assistance to UNMOVIC in the establishment of the necessary infrastructure. This impression remains, and we note that access to sites has so far been without problems, including those that had never been declared or inspected, as well as to Presidential sites and private residences." ~ Hans Blix
 
When the documents were passed to the IAEA, the US explicitly declined to vouch for their authenticity.:cool:
WTF are you smoking??

Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??
 
Bullxit.

  • Speaking to reporters, Hadley said details from the CIA memos and phone call slipped his mind. He apologized to Bush on Monday, he said. "The high standards the president set were not met," said Hadley. Despite the error, the president has "full confidence in his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor and the director of central intelligence," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.

  • "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."

  • "Those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," George Tenet said in a statement. "This was a mistake."

  • "Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect." ~ Ari Fleischer

  • "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice

Not an intelligence professional among them.:cool:
How lucky are you that you had little credibility to risk to begin with?

So George Tenet, Director of the CIA at the time ... was not an "intelligence professional?"
:doh
 
WTF are you smoking??

Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??

Please identify Powell's reference to the forged documents.:cool:
 
How lucky are you that you had little credibility to risk to begin with?

So George Tenet, Director of the CIA at the time ... was not an "intelligence professional?"
:doh

He's a fine man, but a political appointee, and not an intelligence professional. He'd be the first to say he's not.:cool:
 
There was no deception. Nor was there an intent to deceive.:cool:

Bullxit.

  • Speaking to reporters, Hadley said details from the CIA memos and phone call slipped his mind. He apologized to Bush on Monday, he said. "The high standards the president set were not met," said Hadley. Despite the error, the president has "full confidence in his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor and the director of central intelligence," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.


  • "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."


  • "Those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," George Tenet said in a statement. "This was a mistake."


  • "Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect." ~ Ari Fleischer


  • "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice

Whatever may or may not have been wrong, not one of these quotes indicates an intent to deceive.
 
WTF are you smoking??

Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??

Please identify Powell's reference to the forged documents.:cool:

I'll help you. Here's the text.

Colin Powell's speech - Washington Post
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/.../powelltext_020503.html
eMediaMillWorks. Wednesday, February 5, 2003. Following is the full text of U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations on Iraq.

:cool:
 
"At about the same time as the State of the Union address, they said that the dossier doesn't correspond to the truth," Senator Brutti said. He said he did not know whether the warning was given before or after President Bush's address.

He made the claim more than once, but gave no supporting evidence. Amid confusing statements by various lawmakers, he later appeared to backtrack in conversations with both The Associated Press and Reuters, saying that because Sismi never had the documents, it could not comment on their merit.

There had long been doubts within the United States intelligence community about the authenticity of the yellowcake documents, and references to it had been deleted from other presentations given at the time.

Senator Luigi Malabarba, who also attended Thursday's hearing, said in a telephone interview that General Pollari had told the committee that Mr. Martino was "offering the documents not on behalf of Sismi but on behalf of the French" and that Mr. Martino had told prosecutors in Rome that he was in the service of French intelligence.

Source of Forged Niger-Iraq Uranium Documents Identified

The claim of French involvement is a false trail.:cool:
 
WTF are you smoking??

Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??

Let's see if I can make the link work. I really want you read it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp.../transcripts/powelltext_020503.html

:cool:

Oh well. Still not working. At least our mutual friend helped me out.
 
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