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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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ecofarm said:
Yeah, well, we changed policy. No more destabilization, that didn't work. Now we nation build.
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You'll agree that's a distinction without a difference, eh?
 
captainawesome said:
Those living under monarchies and dictatorships we set up and sponsor. Microsoft and Nike and Apple favorites that use slave labor.
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Trading with developing countries is an avenue to diplomatic engagement. I'm sure you agree that war is not always the answer. So, what do we do about countries that do not have human, civil, labor and enviromental rights (these things remain unaccounted externalities in their economy) but war is not necessary (or possible)? It doesn't mean that we're cool with everything they do (nor they with all that we do), it means we're going the same direction: towards democracy and away from dictatorship.

It'll be generations before China and others have rights like ours, at least. What can we do?
 
ChrisL said:
DUH! It's because their leaders are greedy and they want money. US corporations aren't the ONLY ones to take advantage like that. Look at China! This is the fault of their own governments.

Perhaps the United States should just run the world. :2razz:
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We try to run the world.
 
shrubnose said:
You'll agree that's a distinction without a difference, eh?
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Well, we give them money, money, money and help, help, help, and then we allow them to set up their own governments which turn on us. That's what happens a lot of times. So we set up governments with the hope that we can say, "here's your guy, now take care of yourselves." Of course we might think about what would benefit us and the rest of the world, but the stability and safety of the region is also taken into consideration. Never seems to work out that way though.
 
ChrisL said:
Let's face it, the United States is damned if they do take action and damned if they don't take action, so we're always going to be the bad guys in some people's eyes who can't seem to grasp the entire picture.
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One way to avoid being the bad guy is to mind your own business and let others take care of theirs.

Not that hard to do.
 
shrubnose said:
One way to avoid being the bad guy is to mind your own business and let others take care of theirs.

Not that hard to do.
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When 'taking care of theirs' is genocide?
 
ecofarm said:
We had slaves. We butchered the Native Americans for their land.
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Not to mention stealing land from the Mexicans and Spanish, eh?

I guess that makes us bad people.

How do we lose that label, any ideas?
 
ChrisL said:
What are you referring to now? Sweat shops? Yes, that is due to those countries own lack of regulations.
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And who is exploiting that and making a lot of money off it while laying off workers in the USA?
 
ChrisL said:
DUH! It's because their leaders are greedy and they want money. US corporations aren't the ONLY ones to take advantage like that. Look at China! This is the fault of their own governments.

Perhaps the United States should just run the world. :2razz:
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The same thing is going on all over this planet.

It's a dog eat dog world.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, we give them money, money, money and help, help, help, and then we allow them to set up their own governments which turn on us. That's what happens a lot of times. So we set up governments with the hope that we can say, "here's your guy, now take care of yourselves." Of course we might think about what would benefit us and the rest of the world, but the stability and safety of the region is also taken into consideration. Never seems to work out that way though.
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I guess that we can count Germany, Italy, Japan, and Korea as success stories (Of course they started out with an educated population). And there are some others.

But there are some countries that we should have left alone.
 
ChrisL said:
Is there any evidence of mass murders lately under the new regime, or people just disappearing into thin air? I like you're "one Iraqi" quote too. Not to mention, we only captured him and turned him over to the Iraqis. We didn't kill Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people did.
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Do you mean in addition to the hundreds of thousands killed necessary to install the new regime? And we aided Saddam for 8 years when he was the most brutal. Why wait until he was an old man with a shotgun?

Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam'

"Torture in Iraq is worse now than it was under the regime of Saddam Hussein and "is totally out of hand", according to a United Nations investigator.
"The situation is so bad many people say it is worse than it has been in the times of Saddam Hussein," said Manfred Nowak, a UN special investigator on torture, at a press conference in Geneva.

He said government forces, private militia and terrorist groups were all involved.

"You have terrorist groups, you have the military, you have police, you have these militias. There are so many people who are actually abducted, seriously tortured and finally killed," said Mr Nowak, an Austrian law professor."

Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam' | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
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