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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?


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IMO continuing down a path you know is bad is far worse than ignorantly starting down the same path. Pres Obama knew the path we were on was wrong and continued down it. The beginning of Afghanistan was totally warranted. I think we both agree on that. As far as Iraq, Pres Bush, according to him, was led down the wrong path due to WMD's. Whether that's true or not we'll never know for sure. But the fact of the matter is that Pres Obama knew the road we were on and didn't have the balls to say "Screw it, I'm pulling us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Both theaters are dead ends." Instead, he let the SOFA negotiations appear to fail (just my opinion) and doubled down on Afghanistan. He did the same thing Pres Bush did yet he knew the consequences already. Pres Bush didn't have the benefit of history and lessons learned. Pres Obama did. Yet he still doubled down in A-stan. In addition, he increased drone strikes, didn't close Gitmo like he said he would, and got into another ME theater (Libya). The dude's no less a warmonger than Bush and IMO far worse. Go ask a terrorist if he'd rather be waterboarded or hellfired. The only reason you give him a pass is because of that word beside your lean.

Hardly. Once we invaded, the options were poor from there after. Most of the damage was already done. As for waterboardng or hellfire, that's really a false choice. We were doing both under Bush, so eliminating one is an improvement. I don't approve of drone strikes, didn't for Bush and don't for Obama. But I won't pretend both are exactly the same. Bush walked us in there. In Iraq, Obama is walking us out. From the beginning, Afghanistan had more support. And people criticized him when they thought he wouldn't double down. I disagree with him on that and said so.

However, we will be leaving Afghanistan as well. It is just a matter of time. And it was inevitable, no matter who was president.
 
There can be no question that a world without Saddam, Uday and whasisface (other son) is unquestionably a brighter place to some significant degree.


It is simply inarguable that he was a rotten bastard, a horrifically tyrannical despot, and at least a potential threat to the security of his neighbors. Not to mention genocidal towards the Kurds.


Whether the war itself was worth it is going to depend on larger issues, though... issues that will not be easily answered today, this year, or next year. The question will be whether something better than Saddam grows to fill that hole left in his absence.

I hope it will be so. We'll see, over time.

This. Obviously the Iraq War put heavy burdens and losses on the United States. The fruits of the war may come later - maybe not even in this decade - and may be less tangible.
 
This. Obviously the Iraq War put heavy burdens and losses on the United States. The fruits of the war may come later - maybe not even in this decade - and may be less tangible.

I value every American life but if you compare the Iraq war with the Vietnam war then Vietnam will blow you out of the water my left wing friend.
 
I value every American life but if you compare the Iraq war with the Vietnam war then Vietnam will blow you out of the water my left wing friend.

How is that a response to what I wrote?
 
Let's go ahead and get every bad guy in the world!

There were bigger fish to fry then Saddam. Add to that our governments deception and cover ups as to the reason we went to war makes the the whole situation just a tad worse.

But, you're use of "Saddam supporters" to anyone who said that the world was not a better place without Saddam is classic. Did Saddam deserve thousands of Americans dead, thousands and thousands of civilians dead, and trillions of dollars?

No.

If I remember things correctly Saddam was being very uncooperative with UN weapons inspections just prior to the Iraq invasion. Personally I feel the UN should have given him the ultimatum, cooperate or we will take you out, BUT we should have used a strategic air strike and never had troops on the ground. This would have saved countless lives both Iraqi and US and been a hell of a lot cheaper.
 
I remember countless warnings to Saddam, I remember democrats and republicans alike voting for the war. In the end was it a bad thing? Not for Iraq for us it cost us a fortune in young lives and treasure as all our wars have ww1 ww2 korea nam, I was and am all for Bush and Cheneys response to 911 as a veteran. Were we to to just do nothing ? For the second time we were attacked on our soil. I give bush and cheney credit. Look we can all backseat, but the truth is no one knew where to attack alqueda. Ya know being American and for America shouldnt be liberal or conservative or democrat or republican. It should be what it always was before AMERICAN. Can we put america before democrat and republican talking points even just once
 
On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.

The WORLD? Sadam Hussein's absence in and of itself has hardly affected the world. At the same Iraq is now the 8th most corrupt country on earth! That nation remains in turmoil. It's infrastructure continues to suffer from 10 hard years of war.

The world and certainly Iraq would be a much better place if 123,000 Iraqi civilians were still alive.

It would be a much better world for their families.

The world would be a much better place with the 4,488 Americans who have died in Iraq so far, and the countless numbers of family members.

The world would be a much better place for 32,000 Americans who have been wounded so far in Iraq and for countless numbers of family members.

The world would be a much better place for all the children born and to be born in Iraq with birth defects attributed to the toxic mix of the war, if the war had not have happened.

The world would be a much better place if the nation had not ventured into rendition and torture.

The U.S. and probably the world would be a much better place if Americans didn't spend an estimated $2.1 trillion dollars to kill one man (if you believe that is the reason the U.S. invaded Iraq).

The U.S. would certainly be better off without the bull**** "war on terror" resulting from Bush's War.

American citizens would likely never permanently given up so much freedom without the war in Iraq.

Was all of the above worth it? Of course not. Not even close.
 

I know your a liberal my left wing friend do I really have to draw you a picture when you compare the 2 wars
WHO SPEAKS FOR THE 54,000,000 INNOCENT HELPLESS BABIES WHO HAVE BEEN BUTCHERED IN THE WOMB SINCE ROE V WADE WAS PASSED IN 1972?

you need to add another "very," to your "very conservative" ... Anchors aweigh ...
 
Yes, the world is probably better off without Saddam, but that can be said of many others ... shall we sacrifice 4000 soldiers plus for each of them? And another 100s of 1000s civilians, among them many, many children, for each of them?
 
On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.


Navy is the world a better place without hitler, is it a better place without ho chi minh is it a better place without polpot HELL YEAH
 
On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.

Considering that he was a murderous tyrant, I would have to go with yes, the world is probably better off.
 
An incredibly silly comparison.

how so, do you deny Hussein was murdering people just because he felt like it? Maybe we should have let him have his growth so thousands more could have died needlessly.
 
What's really funny is that a lot of you don't understand that we propped up the Hussein regime to begin with...we installed that dictatorship like many others around the world.
 
What's really funny is that a lot of you don't understand that we propped up the Hussein regime to begin with...we installed that dictatorship like many others around the world.
Can't speak for others, but I have always been well-aware of that fact. World politics is almost never consistent or based on ethics.
 
This is great providing you are a citizen of Iraq...If not, then we have another opinion....of little value.
I'll not believe our propaganda.

Propaganda? Ok, if that is your point of view. Mine is from having deployed there several times over a decade and occasionally being shot at for our efforts. Claim the truth is propaganda all you want, but some of us do know the difference.

Also, I believe that all people have rights, not just those born here or those who become citizens here. Mankind first, not America first. If America does not use it's power and influence to better Mankind as a whole, then it is just as evil as those it will not stop from doing evil. If you don't fight evil to the greatest extent possible, then you support and enable evil. I understand your view, as a progressive, which is a subset of socialism, which is the greatest enabler of evil that has ever existed. You do not realize how much evil is done in the name of "doing good" by socialist.
 
I remember countless warnings to Saddam, I remember democrats and republicans alike voting for the war. In the end was it a bad thing? Not for Iraq for us it cost us a fortune in young lives and treasure as all our wars have ww1 ww2 korea nam, I was and am all for Bush and Cheneys response to 911 as a veteran. Were we to to just do nothing ? For the second time we were attacked on our soil. I give bush and cheney credit. Look we can all backseat, but the truth is no one knew where to attack alqueda. Ya know being American and for America shouldnt be liberal or conservative or democrat or republican. It should be what it always was before AMERICAN. Can we put america before democrat and republican talking points even just once

The above is a perfect example of the conventional wisdom surrounding the Iraq war. We were attacked! We had to go after Al Qaeda! It's all about America! Iraq was a response to the attack of 9/11!

The facts: Iraq did not attack the USA. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq.
 
The above is a perfect example of the conventional wisdom surrounding the Iraq war. We were attacked! We had to go after Al Qaeda! It's all about America! Iraq was a response to the attack of 9/11!

The facts: Iraq did not attack the USA. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq.

Thats true and youre correct Iraq did not attack us upfront. I believe thier money had a hand in it. Aside from that Iraq seems to be a better place and we havent had an attack on our soil since, just a couple of weak attempts
 
Thats true and youre correct Iraq did not attack us upfront. I believe thier money had a hand in it. Aside from that Iraq seems to be a better place and we havent had an attack on our soil since, just a couple of weak attempts

There hadn't been more than a couple of weak attempts before, either, for many years.
 
The above is a perfect example of the conventional wisdom surrounding the Iraq war. We were attacked! We had to go after Al Qaeda! It's all about America! Iraq was a response to the attack of 9/11!

The facts: Iraq did not attack the USA. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq.

Hussein was FAR.too secular for Al.Quaedas taste.
 
There hadn't been more than a couple of weak attempts before, either, for many years.


Weak ? First trade center attack, the attack on the Cole, the marine barracks in Riad the WTT in NYC and many other and you say weak? Cmon ditto. Theres alot to complain about the war in Iraq but for going there initially not to me. I would have preferred bush senior having gone all the way and getting saddam than bush jr going in a second time for sure.
You do have to admit in the end one arab threat in the middleast is gone. Once iran gets good and spanked things will calm down for a generation. Lets not forget Libya and now Syria and Egypt deciding to get rid of their tyrants. You think that thought and that courage just popped in their head on their own or do you like me them watching iraq gave them the fortitude and the realization that there are no GODS in the middle east Like Mubarek and Saddam and Khadafi.
 
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