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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Nightly News | March 19, 2013

    Sunnis, Shiites blame US for Iraq’s unrest

    "Ten years after the US launched a “shock and awe” campaign toppling Saddam Hussein, the cost of the Iraq War is now estimated to be about $2 trillion -- but the region is far from stable. NBC’s Richard Engel reports." -

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nightly News | March 19, 2013

    Sunnis, Shiites blame US for Iraq’s unrest

    "Ten years after the US launched a “shock and awe” campaign toppling Saddam Hussein, the cost of the Iraq War is now estimated to be about $2 trillion -- but the region is far from stable. NBC’s Richard Engel reports." -

    Sunnis, Shiites blame US for Iraq
    I'm trying to remember the last time an Arab leader stood up and said, "Wait! It's our fault. We're responsible for our country and our society."
    I can't seem to come up with anything. Darn.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post

    The British report was never refuted and remains HMG's official view to this day.
    It remains Britain's official view, not the U.S.'s. And even Britain had confessed that their intelligence on Iraq was "seriously flawed" and "incomplete." Our intelligence looked into the same matter and reached a different conclusion than Britain's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post

    The matter of "falling on their swords" speaks to political hyperventilation and confusion of the period rather than to the facts of the case. GWB's SOTU statement was accurate.
    Again, the only part that was accurate was that he was citing British intelligence. Our own intelligence did not agree with theirs on the matter. The underlying message that Hussein sought Uranium was inaccurate.

    And to this day, no one has produced any proof that Hussein had sought Uranium in the time frame Bush claimed.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm trying to remember the last time an Arab leader stood up and said, "Wait! It's our fault. We're responsible for our country and our society."
    I can't seem to come up with anything. Darn.
    The thread is about whether the world is a better place without Saddam, the people of Iraq are saying the civil unrest is our fault. Whether you think they are better off or not is irrelevant.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    It remains Britain's official view, not the U.S.'s. And even Britain had confessed that their intelligence on Iraq was "seriously flawed" and "incomplete." Our intelligence looked into the same matter and reached a different conclusion than Britain's.


    Again, the only part that was accurate was that he was citing British intelligence. Our own intelligence did not agree with theirs on the matter. The underlying message that Hussein sought Uranium was inaccurate.

    And to this day, no one has produced any proof that Hussein had sought Uranium in the time frame Bush claimed.
    And no one has produced any proof that he did not. The Brits regard their report as firmly corroborated and all but irrefutable.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The thread is about whether the world is a better place without Saddam, the people of Iraq are saying the civil unrest is our fault. Whether you think they are better off or not is irrelevant.
    And I'm saying the civil unrest is their fault.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And I'm saying the civil unrest is their fault.
    You and the other neocons.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The British report was never refuted and remains HMG's official view to this day. The matter of "falling on their swords" speaks to political hyperventilation and confusion of the period rather than to the facts of the case. GWB's SOTU statement was accurate.
    Do you know what Dick Cheney asked the CIA to investigate AND do you know what the CIA asked Joe Wilson was asked to investigate? I suspect you don't have clue.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Let's replay this for the benefit of those who may have missed it ...

    ChrisL: "Saddam wasn't letting UN inspectors in. He acted like a man with something to hide."

    Sheik Yerbuti: "Say what?? That's a lie that George Bush told -- that doesn't make it true ..."

    Do you see that? The lie which Bush told and you repeated was that Hussein wouldn't let the U.N. inspectors back into Iraq. I proved that was not true by responding with a quote by Hans Blix as he described the unfettered access U.N. inspectors enjoyed since returning to Iraq.

    That was a lie Bush told. That is not a lie any Democrat made.

    Not one.
    Saddam was never compliant with UN inspections.

    Iraq: A Chronology of UN Inspections | Arms Control Association

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You and the other neocons.
    Another swing and a miss.
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