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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    On average, about 2,000 people were killed during the Saddam regime. But since he has been overthrown, at least 120,000 Iraqi's have been killed (plus 4,000+ Americans).

    And mass corruption/torture still thrive inside Iraq.

    To say Iraq (overall) is better off now then under Saddam is - imo - ignorant in the extremis.


    But no doubt a bunch of ignorant neo cons will say otherwise.


    America is being ruined by Neo Cons (foreign policy) and Keynesians (the economy).

    I can at least live with the latter because their intentions are generally good (if rather lazy).

    The former are just selfish, power-mad control-freaks.
    It's obvious that you have NO idea what you are talking about.

    Crimes of Saddam Hussein

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's obvious that you have NO idea what you are talking about.
    Can you be at least remotely specific?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Can you be at least remotely specific?
    I made an edit. Read the article.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I made an edit. Read the article.
    NOTE - to be fair, I edited my above post to include that I was referring to the last ten years of Saddam's regime when he was under intense supervision.

    Those atrocities in your linked article were all before America/the UN was watching him like a hawk.

    There is no way as long as the No Fly zones PLUS UN inspectors were staying on top of him that he could do any of those atrocities.


    To say that Iraq is better off now then the ten years before his overthrow is ignorant beyond measure.

    20,000 deaths compared to 120,000 with no lessening of corruption or torture? That should be proof to any decent, reasonably balanced person.


    And btw - the rights of women have been pushed way, WAY back in Iraq since his overthrow.

    http://www.peacewomen.org/news_artic...5832&type=news
    Last edited by DA60; 03-29-13 at 05:18 PM.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    [QUOTE=DA60;1061627929]
    Those were all before America/the UN was watching him like a hawk.

    There is no way as long as the No Fly zones PLUS UN inspectors were staying on top of him that he could do any of those atrocities.
    Seriously? Wow are you naive. Look at the atrocities that happen all over the world. As if the UN can actually watch anyone like a "hawk." Please, that's just stupid.

    To say that Iraq is better off now then the ten years before his overthrow is ignorant beyond measure.

    20,000 deaths compared to 120,000? That should be proof to any decent, sane person.
    You are WRONG. Let's see some evidence of your 20,000 deaths. That is just INSANE. Obviously you didn't read my link!


    And btw - the rights of women have been pushed WAY back in Iraq since his overthrow.
    Obviously you've never heard of the rape squads, and during the last few years of Saddam's reign, he became VERY religious and started building mosques and encouraging that kind of stuff.

    NOTE - to be fair, I edited my above post to include that I was referring to the last ten years of Saddam's regime when he was under intense supervision.
    Well THAT is not fair. You have to count ALL of his murders. Good LORD!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1061627969]
    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    Seriously? Wow are you naive. Look at the atrocities that happen all over the world. As if the UN can actually watch anyone like a "hawk." Please, that's just stupid.



    You are WRONG. Let's see some evidence of your 20,000 deaths. That is just INSANE. Obviously you didn't read my link!




    Obviously you've never heard of the rape squads, and during the last few years of Saddam's reign, he became VERY religious and started building mosques and encouraging that kind of stuff.



    Well THAT is not fair. You have to count ALL of his murders. Good LORD!
    Geez - you sure get over-emotional and rude quick. I had other dealings with you and developed some respect for you. I guess it was misplaced - too bad.
    I cannot be bothered to deal with posters that come on here just to vent - which clearly you seem to do. Especially on a board with as many ridiculous free speech-restricting rules as this place has. Life is WAY too short for that.


    Now, please name one major atrocity that occurred in Iraq between the end of the Kurd Uprising and Saddam's overthrow?

    And my source for the 20,000 number is the following:

    Gwynne Dyer: Decade-old lessons from George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq | Georgia Straight

    And your unbiased source that states that this figure is wrong is what?
    Last edited by DA60; 03-29-13 at 05:40 PM.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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    Boy - you do get emotional don't you? I have chatted with you before and had some respect for you. But if you are going to resort to childish venting everytime someone makes a point you don't like - forget it. If you cannot keep it mature - find someone else to vent on, please. But if you want to really have at it with me on this - then lets go to the basement where I can say what I want and not have mods looking over my shoulder all the time watching every little word I type.
    What in the heck are you talking about? Quit being so sensitive.


    Now, name one major atrocity that occurred in Iraq between the end of the Kurd Uprising and Saddam's overthrow?
    Read about the mass graves in a link I provided earlier in the discussion.

    An INCREDIBLY horrible biased source, making TONS of assumptions.

    And your unbiased source that states that this figure is wrong is what?
    Again, you obviously didn't read my link. Educate yourself about what a rotten man Saddam Hussein was instead of defending him.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    What in the heck are you talking about? Quit being so sensitive.
    NO - I was just sorry that I thought you were someone who I thought I could have a rational, mature debate with. That is rare around here. And I can see I was mistaken.
    That's all.



    An INCREDIBLY horrible biased source, making TONS of assumptions.
    Gwynne Dyer is biased on Saddam Hussein? Okaaaaay.

    And obviously you cannot produce ANY evidence for me that disproves the number I quoted (and there is no way I am sifting through your posts to find some link you might have posted...I have a life. And since you have over 5 times as many posts as me yet have been here several months less - apparently you don't).


    Again, you obviously didn't read my link. Educate yourself about what a rotten man Saddam Hussein was instead of defending him.
    I am not defending him - I am calling him the lesser of two evils.


    Anyway...I have better things to do then to endlessly debate with closed minded people (as you seem to be on this subject). If I want to do that, I can just go to a gun thread and say 'guns are bad' and watch the foaming-at-the-mouth, NRA'ers come a running - lol. Or go to a Keynesian thread and say 'Paul Krugman is an idiot' and get the same reaction - lol.

    WHen you are prepared to post links to unbiased facts/stats, I will read them.

    Otherwise, I could care less about your closed minded theories...no offense.


    Have a nice day.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-29-13 at 06:01 PM.

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    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    A better question is: is the world Better for the Iraq invasion?

    The answer is no.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    [QUOTE=DA60;1061628100]
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    NO - I was just sorry that I thought you were someone who I thought I could have a rational, mature debate with. That is rare around here. And I can see I was mistaken.
    That's all.



    Gwynne Dyer is biased on Saddam Hussein? Okaaaaay.

    And obviously you cannot produce ANY evidence for me that disproves the number I quoted (and there is no way I am sifting through your posts to find some link you might have posted...I have a life. And since you have over 5 times as many posts as me yet have been here several months less - apparently you don't...no offense).




    I am not defending him - I am calling him the lesser of two evils.


    I have better things to do then to endlessly debate with closed minded people (as you seem to be on this subject).

    WHen you are prepared to post links to unbiased facts/stats, I will read them.

    Otherwise, I could care less about your closed minded theories...again, no offense.


    Have a nice day.
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