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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And you are full of it. Saddam wanted the world to think he had WMD. That is a fact. Also, the head of the UN inspectors at that time even believed that Saddam had WMD. Most of the civilized world believed that to be the case. He was NOT cooperative. He played the same games that Ahmadinejad plays.

    In the decade since the invasion of Iraq, a number of arguments to explain the intelligence failure there are now accepted as gospel truth. Certainly, there were plenty of mistakes made then that should be avoided in the future. However, many of these arguments seem grounded in politics rather than reality.

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    One of the most obvious examples is the widely accepted statement that President George W. Bush lied about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) stockpiles. But here's the thing: If Bush knew that Saddam did not have such weapons, he would have been the only one -- even Saddam wasn't 100 percent certain about what resided in his stockpiles. In reaction to insistent U.S. and British statements about Iraq's WMD, at an October 2002 Revolutionary Command Council meeting, Saddam asked his own staff whether they might know something he did not about residual WMD stocks.

    The intelligence wasn't cooked or slanted to make policymakers happy. It was just wrong. That made Bush mistaken -- but it doesn't make him a liar.

    Intelligence agencies around the world erred in their assessments about Iraqi WMD. Some were more wrong than others. But the broadly held view by intelligence practitioners was that Saddam had capabilities that exceeded the limitations placed on him by the United Nations after the 1991 Gulf War. And in fact, Saddam was not fully compliant with the United Nations: He had ballistic missiles that exceeded permitted range limits and he had certainly had a long track record of blocking and deceiving U.N. weapons inspectors. His cooperation was always less than needed. But as it turned out, by 2002, the Iraqi president did not have militarily significant stocks of chemical or biological agents, and his nuclear program had been halted years earlier.
    I concur.

    It's all here -> Saddam Hussein Talks to the FBI:
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Actually, I don't know who lied. Could you please tell me?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    why are you asking this?

    it is well known, and it is also clear that americans especially had been vulnerable to the influence of these lies due to 9/11.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ha! The feeble and fearful were used Bush/Cheney like the fearful saps used by the televangelists, and just as shameful to prey on the feeble and frightened. Hell, some were so scared they still believe the lies!!!
    That includes your democrat idols.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations' chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003."

    U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq



    "Iraq arms inspector Blix warned of weak war evidence."


    Iraq arms inspector Blix warned of weak war evidence | Reuters



    "During three hours of damning testimony to the Chilcot Inquiry, Dr Blix revealed he warned Mr Blair there was no evidence the tyrant possessed chemical and biological missiles."

    Read more: Iraq inquiry: Hans Blix told Tony Blair before invasion he would not find WMD | Mail Online
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    Saddam played with the UN inspectors exactly like Ahmadinejad does. You know this. I don't know why you are trying to make it sound as if Saddam was OH SO compliant with inspectors. You are being hyperpartisan I think.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    You're making some great points, Chris! I hope you don't mind, but I may use some of your points and links in the future.
    Sure thing! Thank you very much for the compliment!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    and Saddam, for all his many faults, always kept religion strictly out of government.
    I don't agree with that. Sure, he was secular but he was so because that gave him absolute power. Remember, he had institutionalized rape. If he allowed religion into his government, there would be a second power base (against some things he did) unless he went Pubah. Another reason is that he ruled as a minority. Untimately, he did not have a secular government out of any sense of rights or secular law but because it served his (grotesque) purposes.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That includes your democrat idols.
    My idols were the majority of Democrats in Congress that voted against giving Bush AOF in Iraq!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are being hyperpartisan I think.
    You are being paranoid I think.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are being paranoid I think.
    I don't think that acknowledging facts is being paranoid. I think you just have nothing else of relevance to add to the discussion.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    On average, about 2,000 people were killed during the last ten years of the Saddam regime. But since he has been overthrown, at least 120,000 Iraqi's have been killed (plus 4,000+ Americans).

    And mass corruption/torture still thrive inside Iraq.

    To say Iraq (overall) is better off now then under Saddam in the ten years before his overthrow is - imo - ignorant in the extremis.


    But no doubt a bunch of ignorant neo-cons will say otherwise.


    America is being ruined by Neo-Cons (foreign policy) and Keynesians (the economy).

    I can at least live with the latter because their intentions are generally good (if rather lazy).

    The former are just selfish, power-mad control-freaks.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-29-13 at 05:07 PM.

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