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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Notice the words "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate. . . "

    The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

    So, as I said, they let the decider decide. They did not declare war. And spoke of how invading outside the UN would be wrong. The thing is JCC, do you want the truth, or an excuse for Bush?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Here are the Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002.

    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Cleland (D-GA), Yea
    Clinton (D-NY), Yea
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Miller (D-GA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
    James Love: Who voted to authorize force in Iraq October 2002?
    Good morning, JC.

    Excellent! Some heavy hitters on that list! Thanks for your research.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Who lied, and why were all of the rest of the supporters so naive to believe it?
    why are you asking this?

    it is well known, and it is also clear that americans especially had been vulnerable to the influence of these lies due to 9/11.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Look it up yourself. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
    so you don't have evidence?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    so you don't have evidence?
    So you would rather remain ignorant than look it up?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So you would rather remain ignorant than look it up?
    if you had the evidence it would be as easy to supply it as to play silly buggers and avoid answering the question.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    if you had the evidence it would be as easy to supply it as to play silly buggers and avoid answering the question.
    It would also be easy for you to look it up yourself. And while you're doing that you might get educated.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And you are full of it. Saddam wanted the world to think he had WMD. That is a fact. Also, the head of the UN inspectors at that time even believed that Saddam had WMD. Most of the civilized world believed that to be the case. He was NOT cooperative. He played the same games that Ahmadinejad plays.

    In the decade since the invasion of Iraq, a number of arguments to explain the intelligence failure there are now accepted as gospel truth. Certainly, there were plenty of mistakes made then that should be avoided in the future. However, many of these arguments seem grounded in politics rather than reality.

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    One of the most obvious examples is the widely accepted statement that President George W. Bush lied about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) stockpiles. But here's the thing: If Bush knew that Saddam did not have such weapons, he would have been the only one -- even Saddam wasn't 100 percent certain about what resided in his stockpiles. In reaction to insistent U.S. and British statements about Iraq's WMD, at an October 2002 Revolutionary Command Council meeting, Saddam asked his own staff whether they might know something he did not about residual WMD stocks.

    The intelligence wasn't cooked or slanted to make policymakers happy. It was just wrong. That made Bush mistaken -- but it doesn't make him a liar.

    Intelligence agencies around the world erred in their assessments about Iraqi WMD. Some were more wrong than others. But the broadly held view by intelligence practitioners was that Saddam had capabilities that exceeded the limitations placed on him by the United Nations after the 1991 Gulf War. And in fact, Saddam was not fully compliant with the United Nations: He had ballistic missiles that exceeded permitted range limits and he had certainly had a long track record of blocking and deceiving U.N. weapons inspectors. His cooperation was always less than needed. But as it turned out, by 2002, the Iraqi president did not have militarily significant stocks of chemical or biological agents, and his nuclear program had been halted years earlier.



    "There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations' chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003."

    U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq



    "Iraq arms inspector Blix warned of weak war evidence."


    Iraq arms inspector Blix warned of weak war evidence | Reuters



    "During three hours of damning testimony to the Chilcot Inquiry, Dr Blix revealed he warned Mr Blair there was no evidence the tyrant possessed chemical and biological missiles."

    Read more: Iraq inquiry: Hans Blix told Tony Blair before invasion he would not find WMD | Mail Online
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm certainly not defending the war or George Bush. I think that it was a terrible idea and the timing and the reasoning behind going were WRONG, but it was a mistake and not some evil plan to obtain cheap oil. If you believe that, then you must believe that George Bush is an evil genius.

    It was out of fear, and everyone was feeling it because of the 9/11 tragedy. I think some of you should go over to the conspiracy theory section of the forum for real.

    Ha! The feeble and fearful were used Bush/Cheney like the fearful saps used by the televangelists, and just as shameful to prey on the feeble and frightened. Hell, some were so scared they still believe the lies!!!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Here are the Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002.

    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Cleland (D-GA), Yea
    Clinton (D-NY), Yea
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Miller (D-GA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
    James Love: Who voted to authorize force in Iraq October 2002?
    Does that mean you think that, if all those prominent Democrats voted for it, then it must have been the right decision?
    Or are you saying that it's not just the Republicans who got us into that godawful mess in the Mid East?

    I'd agree with that second one, but certainly not the first.
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