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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    The bottom line being, all of these politicians voted (majority) to give George Bush the power to go to war with Iraq. They all knew the same things that he knew. Now you all are going to cry "but, but, but they were RAILROADED!"

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Controlled? No. Helping the Kurds, our best supporters, against Saddam. See yet how silly invading Iraq was yet?
    WRONG!

    You have no idea what you are talking about. AQ controlled territory in Iraq and were fighting against Saddam's Kurdish enemies in Iraq, the PUK.

    You are consistently wrong about everything. If I was as ignorant and misinformed as you then I might think invading Iraq was a bad decision too.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    do you have evidence for this claim?
    Look it up yourself. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    I'm certainly not defending the war or George Bush. I think that it was a terrible idea and the timing and the reasoning behind going were WRONG, but it was a mistake and not some evil plan to obtain cheap oil. If you believe that, then you must believe that George Bush is an evil genius.

    It was out of fear, and everyone was feeling it because of the 9/11 tragedy. I think some of you should go over to the conspiracy theory section of the forum for real.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    WRONG!

    You have no idea what you are talking about. AQ controlled territory in Iraq and were fighting against Saddam's Kurdish enemies in Iraq, the PUK.

    You are consistently wrong about everything. If I was as ignorant and misinformed as you then I might think invading Iraq was a bad decision too.
    That is factually incorrect. They were not working with or for Saddam.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    You're making some great points, Chris! I hope you don't mind, but I may use some of your points and links in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here are some quotes for you.

    Democrat Quotes on WMD

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Considering the cost in blood and treasure, I had no choice to vote NO. It's been recently estimated the ultimate cost to be $2.2 Trillion 4500 of our troops died there; thousands of our troops received life altering injuries. Including Iraqis, 190,000 people died in the war, which is enough to complexly fill every seat of Yankee Statium 4 times.
    Are we going to argue over number again? No one knows for sure of that 190,000 how many were the enemy. Frankly I don't trust the numbers, because the enemy aren't military, don't dress as military and don't conduct themselves in a military fashion. I'll bet you believe that everyone of those 190,000 were innocent people, just innocent unarmed bystanders that got shot. WWII was by far (putting it very lightly) the most expensive war in both casualties and money, in history; and everyone thinks it was worth fighting now. Not so at the time.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Who lied, and why were all of the rest of the supporters so naive to believe it?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    invasion supporters should feel bad for cheering on these people to death, injury and the after effects of a war they fought for no other reason than trusting those who lied to them, and who had made the decision based on a crock of lies.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Here are the Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002.

    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Cleland (D-GA), Yea
    Clinton (D-NY), Yea
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Miller (D-GA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
    James Love: Who voted to authorize force in Iraq October 2002?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, it wasn't Hillary, Kerry, Biden, or anyone else, including the 263 Congressional Republicans who voted for H.J.Res. 114.

    Only one person was in a position to deploy troops to Iraq -- the Commander-in-Chief.

    What Congress did was to authorize him to use force if he deemed it was necessary to protect us from "the continuing threat posed by Iraq," and that further diplomacy would "not adequately protect the national security" against that threat.

    Only Bush never gave diplomacy the chance to work because in reality, he didn't want diplomacy -- he wanted to go to war. So he pulled the U.N. inspectors out of Iraq before they had the opportunity to complete their mission because during the time they were there, they hadn't found the smoking gun Bush was warning us about. He wasn't about to allow such pesky details interfere with his war agenda.

    It was like handing Bush a gun and now blaming Democrats because he used it erroneously.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3]
    Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.
    Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
    Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
    Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
    Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
    Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
    Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
    Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers.
    The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
    The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
    The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power.
    Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.
    The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."
    The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."


    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yes. Who could have known Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq when he was stating publicly that he didn't want to go to war?

    But regardless, only the Commander-in-Chief could make that call. Bush admitted so himself, even if his supporters can't understand that...


    "As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq." ~ George Bush, 12.14.2005

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