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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    "Kurdish territory" in what country?

    Iraq.
    True, but it's north of the northern no-fly zone so it was inaccessible SaddaM Hussein.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    You are wrong, AQ controlled territory in Iraq. They had bases in Iraq.
    Controlled? No. Helping the Kurds, our best supporters, against Saddam. See yet how silly invading Iraq was yet?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    You are wrong, AQ controlled territory in Iraq. They had bases in Iraq.
    As pointed out above, you're wrong yet again.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You equate democracy and "rampant consumerism"? Please, let's not pretend that only democracies buy stuff. Dictatorships buy stuff, it's just mostly cronies and military. Your entire post is an indictment of the western world and not democracy. Conflating the two is nothing more than common haterism.
    I don't understand you.

    I have said that democracy with education and awareness is a good thing. I am not saying that dictatorships is a good thing, but seriously, you can't argue that democracy per se is a good thing for ecology. Surely you know that!

    There is no way around the obvious: those without a voice in the authority of their common resources get screwed by the state.
    not always. they can get screwed by the corporate world. look at the US, where a change of political party really makes very little difference, the income disparity between rich and poor rivals that of a third world dictatorship, and people think as long as they can get cheap rain forest bred hamburgers and the price of gas enables them to afford gas guzzling hummers, life's good.

    Look at China... Oh, wait, that's the US's fault isn't it. hah
    that's your opinion. personally I disagree. china is the way it is for a whole range of reasons.



    Safer for Kurds, Marsh Arabs and women? Definately. The state no longer slaughters and rapes them wholesale, and such is not legal. If you want to pretend that things are more dangerous today, think for a minute about Saddam's reporting of incidents involving his rape squads.
    you mention the Marsh Arabs, and interestingly, that is one area where we might find agreement. The legacy of Saddam's strategy to control them (not through slaughter and rape) has left a legacy of an unmitigated environmental disaster.

    Women?

    well ... you need to look at stats before and after the invasion... something you obviously haven't done

    kurds .. again its not black and white. some kurds served in the army, killing their own people, others lived well and peacefully and did not get involved in politics. for many, being Kurdish would have been at least as bad in Turkey - even if they were not members of the PKK.

    and we didn't seem to care so much for the kurds in halabja 25 years ago, when Rumsfeld was still buddy-buddy with saddam.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look lady, I'm just acknowledging that OIL isn't the main reason why we attacked Iraq. To actually believe that is stupid and naive. It's obvious that YOU think we live in a Kumbaya kind of world. That is just ignorant as hell. Keep burying your head in the sand and crying over dead murderous tyrannical dictators. Seems that's what you're good at.
    I don't think I have said anywhere that I think it was all about oil ....

    and what was the main reason in your opinion?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Some memes just will not die.
    As I said - I don't think I have said anywhere that it was all about oil ....

    maybe you need to learn to read
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yeah, it sure seems that way

    Whenever anyone acts like the war was a total mistake and a total waste, I always feel so bad for our troops who fought so bravely for us.
    invasion supporters should feel bad for cheering on these people to death, injury and the after effects of a war they fought for no other reason than trusting those who lied to them, and who had made the decision based on a crock of lies.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    You are wrong, AQ controlled territory in Iraq. They had bases in Iraq.
    do you have evidence for this claim?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Saddam wasn't letting UN inspectors in. He acted like a man with something to hide.
    You are paranoid, the head of the inspection team that made 700 inspections said there was no threat!
    And the body that paid for the multi-million dollar inspection program in Iraq decided they did not think there was a threat that merited attack.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The former quote was to mislead the enemy, pure and simple.

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