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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    and yet the incidence of violent deaths among civilians was higher after madass insane was deposed.
    Because of insurgents loyal to the Baath party.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Both the CIA and the Pentagon have determined there was neither WMD, nor a Saddam/al Qaeda link.
    Does not negate the FACT that Iraq was terrorist friendly and had many terrorist training camps and God only knows what else. Saddam was KNOWN to have produced and used chemical weapons in the past against foreign and domestic enemies. What makes you think he would suddenly change his ways, I don't know. The guy was a danger to his own people and a danger to the world as well. He was unstable and created a lot of instability in the region.

    Now, the war has also caused instability in the region, but THAT is to be expected. It takes time to pick up the pieces and get back some stability. This is not some new idea. War tends to temporarily destabilize regions, but eventually things improve with time.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure I need to. But there is no evidence of it happening. As I said, I even heard Iraqis say it wasn't happening before we invaded. Groups like the one I linked were very busy trying to chronicle all they could, and they had nothing. So, the evidence is fairly strong it wasn't.
    Well, don't make silly claims about Saddam "stopping" killing people. Of course he kept his torture and murder of people a secret and try to hide it and any evidence of it. Hence all the mass graves. Now, just because those killings in my links were from the early to late 1990s, that does not mean that the man just stopped killing people.

    And your statement that after the war started he stopped killing people is just ludicrous. Of course he stopped killing people in that period of time. He was on the run for his life.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, don't make silly claims about Saddam "stopping" killing people. Of course he kept his torture and murder of people a secret and try to hide it and any evidence of it. Hence all the mass graves. Now, just because those killings in my links were from the early to late 1990s, that does not mean that the man just stopped killing people.

    And your statement that after the war started he stopped killing people is just ludicrous. Of course he stopped killing people in that period of time. He was on the run for his life.
    No where do I claim after the war started the killing stopped. That's your misreading. Or a diversion, I'm not sure which.

    By all we know, he was not killing that way at that time. So, my statement stands.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because of insurgents loyal to the Baath party.
    regardless of whether this is true or not (and not all of the violence is necessarily attributable to this), why was it higher after the invasion?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    regardless of whether this is true or not (and not all of the violence is necessarily attributable to this), why was it higher after the invasion?
    Seriously? Because Saddam was taken down, that's why. Some of those who agreed with and supported Saddam (members of the Baath party) rebelled and became insurgents against the United States and even their OWN people.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No where do I claim after the war started the killing stopped. That's your misreading. Or a diversion, I'm not sure which.

    By all we know, he was not killing that way at that time. So, my statement stands.
    Well, they say ignorance is bliss.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Does not negate the FACT that Iraq was terrorist friendly and had many terrorist training camps and God only knows what else. Saddam was KNOWN to have produced and used chemical weapons in the past against foreign and domestic enemies. What makes you think he would suddenly change his ways, I don't know. The guy was a danger to his own people and a danger to the world as well. He was unstable and created a lot of instability in the region.

    Now, the war has also caused instability in the region, but THAT is to be expected. It takes time to pick up the pieces and get back some stability. This is not some new idea. War tends to temporarily destabilize regions, but eventually things improve with time.
    here you go again, minimizing the suffering of the Iraqis.

    I don't know if its callousness, or a lack of understanding that these are real people who are suffering.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Seriously? Because Saddam was taken down, that's why. Some of those who agreed with and supported Saddam (members of the Baath party) rebelled and became insurgents against the United States and even their OWN people.
    so he is more powerful after his death?

    does that mean the world is better off without him?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    so he is more powerful after his death?

    does that mean the world is better off without him?
    Absolutely not. This is a common occurrence after ANY war. There were also insurgents after WW II and Vietnam. It takes TIME for things to settle down.

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