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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Again, the draft is used when personnel needs are not being met. There is no issue with meeting enlistment quotas today...
    Then why keep sending the same soldiers back for tour after tour?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The terrorists believe that the ends justify the means, exactly like the US did in the Iraq invasion and occupation.
    False and false.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The terrorists believe that the ends justify the means, exactly like the US did in the Iraq invasion and occupation.
    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    and it failed dismally .....
    Indeed.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    I'm sorry, but your link proves nothing. People were "watching the killing." Oh okay. Lol.
    You may want to read the article. And check out their home page. Keeping track is what they do.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ideology for human (and eco) rights. Can you see my signature, below? If you can understand it, you'll see how it all fits together. As you probably don't understand that democracy is good for ecology, it will be difficult for you. Of course, if you believe that Saddam was not doing any harm to the people (or eco) of Iraq, then you are incapable of grasping the premise in context.

    I've done more for world development and the alleviation of developing world poverty than you've dreamed about, so spare me the demonization. Nothing makes me laugh like a keyboard activist telling others how immoral they are.
    I have not said that saddam was good for anyone or anything.

    the question asked is - is the world a better place without saddam hussein?

    I say, no it is not.

    I looked at your signature. I suspect that on many issues you and I may be on the same page, but in relation to the war in Iraq, we are not even in the same library.

    I also don't know that a blanket statement that democracy is good for ecology is true either. it depends what kind of democracy you are talking about. for many people in emerging economies and former CIS states, democracy means increased consumerism, increased use of personal motor vehicles and increased pollution, habitat loss, exploitation of resources and vulnerable communities elsewhere and so on.

    Democracy without meaningful education has its downside.

    The Iraq war was bad for women, and for the environment.

    I have mentioned the experience of women I knew in Iraq, and others here have talked about that too.

    environmentally the war was a bad thing: Environmental Costs | Costs of War

    this does not mean saddam was good for women or for the environment.

    quite frankly, if the US and other coalition nations had invested the money they spent on the war into researching and developing renewable energy, education(both home and abroad), programs that assist local communities to develop sustainable industries ... including I believe the work that you are involved in - just imagine how much better the world would be!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its so funny that some of you lefties love living in this country but when it comes to defending it then its a whole different matter
    defending it from saddam?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, what I see through is your spin on it, which is, of course, from your hardcore anti-Bush, anti-American hate which makes YOU incapable of acknowledging any result of anything they did which isn't awful.
    I'm thinking that your reaction suggests that you are extremely angry .. and that it may be you who hates people.

    Both anger and hate really come from fear, so perhaps it might be interesting for you to explore what it is that you are afraid of.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    I wonder how various people would respond to a similar question posed about the state next door? Is the world better off without the Shah?

    Like Sadaam, the Shah was ruthless to his political enemies. His secret service was dastardly and tortured people. He was no saint. Looking at what has happened to Iran since his ousting, however, the world is certainly not a better place by any stretch of the imagination.

    What people fail to realize when addressing Iraq is that half of all Iraqis are married to their own family members. Their allegance is to blood ties, not philosophical, and whatever "democracy" that can exist will be subserviant to these blood ties. There is a reason countries such as Iraq tend to produce authoritarian leaders, as the nature of their culture is such that there is little alternative. Populist movements in countries such as Iraq are profoundly conservative, and so the eventual outcome of removing the strong armed, but somewhat secular leader is to open the door for other elements to take over. Are those elements better for the world? In the case of Iran they weren't, and so I would suggest taking the broader view when addressing Iraq and ask what Pandoras box have we helped open here.

    Strong armed leaders are the cork on the bottle. Once the cork has been removed, all sorts of things poor out, many of which cannot be predicted and are not necessarily better in the long term.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Sure ... It's also a better place with out George W Bush.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    The Iraq war was bad for women, and for the environment...

    environmentally the war was a bad thing: Environmental Costs | Costs of War

    Oh, please. Women did not have human rights under Saddam and were (legally) subject to honor killings, FGM and institutionalized rape. Of course, they could not vote.

    Democracy is always good for the environment. When those directly affected by environmental degradation have no voice in the management of said resources, the situation only gets worse. Let's not forget that Saddam was an eco-terrorist, killing the deep sea coral in the Gulf on purpose. And, finally, let's note the environmental impact of Saddam invading Iran in an 8 year war, invading Kuwait, draining the Marsh Arab land and other atrocities.


    Short term thinking is inferior.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 03-26-13 at 11:27 AM.

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